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Old 02-23-2012, 04:29 PM   #61 (permalink)
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We may be talking past each other. As I understand it, a man has the ability to sign away his rights and thus not have to pay child support. This most often occurs if the wife accepts it.

However, a man cannot unilaterial sign away his rights in an effort to not pay child support. If that were the case, there would be many fewer dead-beat dads, as they could just sign away their rights and avoid payment.
In the state of Texas and 12 others, they can. It has to be done when women are pregnant and yes, they can decide if they want to be fathers.....JUST AS A WOMAN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE IF SHE WANTS TO BE A MOTHER.
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Or just pass out a child after each Catholic church service.
That`s so ripe for an inappropriate joke but I won`t.

It` hard, but..no..I can control myself.

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You're on here attacking all men who have a **** and balls instead of taking the battle to those punks in Washington who are being unreasonable. Not every man in this world is a deadbeat narcissist out to control women, even though you very much like to believe so.


I'm not attacking anybody but you and people who think like you. Both men AND women.
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In the state of Texas and 12 others, they can. It has to be done when women are pregnant and yes, they can decide if they want to be fathers.....JUST AS A WOMAN SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DECIDE IF SHE WANTS TO BE A MOTHER.
Can you point me to the law or a website describing it? I am interested in learning about this, and my Google skills are clearly not working right now. As you state it, it does seem to deal with the issue that bothered me, insofar as a man gets a similar choice to be a father as the woman.

I am a bit surprised this law would be enacted as it would seem to encourage more abortions.
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I'm not attacking anybody but you and people who think like you. Both men AND women.
And I didn't even get to defend myself from being called a sexist.
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Can you point me to the law or a website describing it? I am interested in learning about this, and my Google skills are clearly not working right now. As you state it, it does seem to deal with the issue that bothered me, insofar as a man gets a similar choice to be a father as the woman.

I am a bit surprised this law would be enacted as it would seem to encourage more abortions.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:18 PM   #70 (permalink)
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And just wanted to remind the believers of "abortion is murder"… You do realize not everyone believes as you do, right? And I fully respect your beliefs as I would hope that you would respect ours. The term murder is being tossed around pretty loosely, however that is your religious beliefs, but it is certainly not mine.

We have a very divided nation on this and I wonder what makes one group's belief's more important over another group's belief's.

The ramifications for bringing a child into this world ranks up there with other extreme life changing events. Having options is a fundamental part of life.

And in my case, my H had a vasectomy when we found out they would not tie my tubes (too many health issues to put me under). Should my H’s vasectomy fail and I find myself pregnant and carried it to term, I would die. Period. I would leave behind my twins, my older daughter, my H, and my parents. You tell me what is more devastating? Terminating a pregnancy, in which our beliefs consist of it being a couple of cells dividing and not yet a viable human being, so that I can continue to care for my 3 current children, or me dying, a viable human being who has been on this earth for 38 years, because abortion is illegal?

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Not a religious belief for me. I am an atheist or a non-believer. Whatever you want to call it.

Also, one could also argue that respecting the belief of a pro-lifer would be to make abortion illegal, while another could argue that respecting that respecting the belief of a pro-choicer would be keeping abortion legal. Which argument is right? I still agree with CLucas and personally don’t believe that abortion should be made illegal just for the fact that there are too many ‘what ifs’, like your situation, but I also don’t believe we should have universal healthcare. As you said, what makes your beliefs more important than mine? Don’t you see the irony in that statement?
I agree Angel, but I'm not understanding your statement about universal healthcare. What does that have to do with abortion or this bill in GA?

P.S. I'm unsure on the healthcare crisis, but it is a crisis that needs some kind of resolution before my entire paycheck goes to just healthcare costs
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Terminating one's parental rights is a lot different from terminating one's parental obligations. Volunteering to give up your rights does not free you of support obligations.
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Terminating one's parental rights is a lot different from terminating one's parental obligations. Volunteering to give up your rights does not free you of support obligations.
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You are allowed to terminate your obligation as well if the mother or say step father is willing to meet them. It isn't common but it does happen. I think since few know about it, that's why it isn't as common.
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As you said, what makes your beliefs more important than mine? Don’t you see the irony in that statement?
Show me where anybody has said that. I have said from the get go that the only belief that mattered should be my own and that is why I abhor anybody trying to force theirs on me. Stay away from my body. I don't tell you to abort, now do I?
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Terminating one's parental rights is a lot different from terminating one's parental obligations. Volunteering to give up your rights does not free you of support obligations.
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A google search brings up a ton of information on this. What I'm gathering from my search is that the termination of parental rights does in fact sever all rights and obligations to a child. There are variations to this depending on the circumstances and the state. That said, a court does not look fondly at parents wishing to voluntarily terminate parental rights without strong evidence that it will be in the best interest of the child. My guess is it would be based on how good the lawyer is.


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