You are allowed to terminate your obligation as well if the mother or say step father is willing to meet them. It isn't common but it does happen. I think since few know about it, that's why it isn't as common.
But if it requires the consent of the mother, then it's not really the father's choice, right? Posted via Mobile Device
I stepped in wet concrete (there were no signs nor was is roped off) on my morning run and my day has been downhill ever since!
Did you at least write your name or draw in the concrete?! I would've had fun with that, especially since whoever did it didn't mark it as wet concrete.
I am so confused. Show you where anyone has said what? Plus, I said I didn't believe abortion should be made illegal. I guess I don't get what you are getting your panties in a bunch about...Please explain further.
*Edit* I was just giving Cherry the other side of the argument.
You wrote why is "Your belief more important than mine". It isn't and nobody said that, so I don't know why you thought that. You also said abortion should be available for cases of rape or incest. What gives you the right to govern under what circumstance I should get an abortion?
What I have maintained all along is that I have the right to do with my body what I want, just as you have the right to do what you want with yours.
I'm not arguing with you, btw so no underwear were harmed. I thought (still think) this was a discussion with differing views.
Whew! I thought you were angry. I was like "but mom! I didn't do anything!"...
I didn't say anyone said that. I was quoting Cherry; We have a very divided nation on this and I wonder what makes one group's belief's more important over another group's belief's.
I was saying that the same argument could be, and is, turned around and used by pro-life people. I was asking her if she saw the irony because many believe abortion is murder. Murder is illegal...Soooo what makes your belief that abortion isn’t murder any more important than their belief that it is? Obviously it isn’t only religious groups that believe abortion is wrong, so you can’t really claim separation of church and state. I was pointing out that it was an ironic statement.
Also, I think abortion should be available for anyone, not just rape or incest victims. There is no way to ban it while still making exceptions for those that it would be necessary. There is too much gray area.
I personally don't agree with it and I do think it is murder (for lack of a better word), BUT I would find it to be a more forgivable (again, for lack of a better word) if you had the procedure due to extenuating circumstances such as Cherry's, or if the child were a product of rape or incest. I don't think this because I think you should be punished because of your choices. I just think there are other options, such as adoption, and that abortion is the easy way out. It is also used more as a form of birth control than you think. There are many repeat abortions. I know a handful of women who have had over 5. I find that despicable.
Everyone tries to relate the pregnancies of a rape or incest victims to all other pregnancies and you can't. Getting pregnant by your rapist makes you a victim all over again. While it might be upsetting to get pregnant unexpectedly, it could be life ending for a rape victim. You would be carrying a piece of your rapist inside of you. That rapist stole something so intimate from you; your ability to procreate on your terms. Then you have a daily reminder of every horrible thing he did to you for 9 months. Every time your child moved, you would think of him. Every prenatal vitamin you took, you would think of him. Every bout of morning sickness, you would think of him. While I still think abortion is no less of a killing in a situation such as this as it is in any other, I would at least understand why you had to do it. For example, I don't agree with the death penalty because I think its murder, but I understand why they had to execute Ted Bundy.
Does this mean if my own daughter were raped at the age of 12 and ended up pregnant that I wouldn't take her and have the pregnancy terminated? I absolutely would. It would destroy her life, her body, and her childhood. Forever making her a victim or terminating her pregnancy? It's an easy choice. I would trade the life of her unborn child for her life and that is something we both would have to live with. However, if she was to get pregnant on her own and she wanted an abortion, she would have to find her own way and her own money. I would still support her and love her but I would not help her make a choice that I think is wrong unless it meant saving her life. In my mind, that is the only time abortion is acceptable. Is it still killing? In my opinion, yes. I guess, for me at least, it’s like justifiable homicide.
I think we agree more than we disagree. We both seem to agree that we would like to have the choice to make our own decisions. For me personally, no I could not go through with an abortion and yes I was pregnant and young but I just could not. I do however believe that I should have the right if I chose just as you should you the right to not have an abotion forced on you. Do we agree on that part?
Sorry about the sneaks. That stinks! The snarky side of me would have tropped "trou" right then and there and left the city with a nice butt print.
Anybody hear about that lawmaker in Virginia who stood on the House floor and moaned that he didn't get laid the night before because his wife was upset with what him and others are trying to do to women? In his now legendary speech, he said "v" this and "v" that.
Here's a thought, if you can't actually SAY the word vagina, maybe you should stop telling those of us who own one what we can do with ours.
Anybody hear about that lawmaker in Virginia who stood on the House floor and moaned that he didn't get laid the night before because his wife was upset with what him and others are trying to do to women?
There was some parliament some where a long time ago where they were enacting some policy that was bad for women and all the members wives refused to sleep with them until their husbands remedied the matter.
If I recall correctly the husbands remedied the matter quickly.
My memory is terrible and Google is down so I can`t look this up but your post reminded me of it.
^^^ I tried a quick search and there's pages and pages about women in Africa doing that to try and get a road fixed. Interesting... Maybe we do have a way to fight back Posted via Mobile Device
My H has always been 100% against abortion UNTIL he experienced the trauma I went through giving birth to our twins... He has a vasectomy now, but if by chance that vasectomy failed, he would be behind me 100% should I get pregnant and have to abort. It's either that, or he raises an infant and our twins without me. We are doing what we can to prevent a pregnancy otherwise I would die.... H changed his tune on this debate.
I too have experienced a pregnancy that has had a lot to mold my thoughts about abortion. There are times when only the pregnant woman knows what she is really going through in a pregnancy. That pregnancy of mine was twins as well. It was such a hard pregnancy the twins ended up not surviving it.
After that I told my husband that I would never agree to get pregnant again unless he agreed that I had the right to unilaterally decide to end the pregnancy via abortion if I felt the pregnacy was jeapordizing my health.
My health has never recovered 100% from that pregnancy.. and that was about 25 years ago.
I'm am sorry for your loss. If it weren't for a team of roughly 25 doctors and nurses that night, my twins or me or all of us would have not survived. The effects it really has on me is babies. I use to look at babies with such admiration, but now I'm scared of babies. I'm really scared. When I see a baby I flash back to the day I woke up from a coma. I still have a hard time seeing pics of me pregnant, and I still can't look at the pics people took during the delivery of my twins. I think it will be a lifetime memory that will always seem like just yesterday. Posted via Mobile Device
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) on my morning run and my day has been downhill ever since! 
Some people need to grow up and I told them as such.
