Found this article: https://www.aclu.org/blog/reproducti...-wont-hurt-you
If this bill passes then your doctor will be allowed to lie to you about the condition of your baby if s/he thinks the information will lead to an abortion.
But I was wondering, can your doctor lie to you about lying to you? Let's say I asked my doctor if s/he would lie to me about the condition of my baby if s/he thought I would get an abortion and s/he said they wouldnt lie....but then they did lie and I found out. Could I press charges then?
I'd like to see some kind of middle ground in this arena, as my experience has been that the push is always to terminate if something less than perfect is found. My daughter had a cystic hygroma and I was told to terminate by 2 doctors and 1 geneticist. They said they could arrange the abortion for me immediately... maybe they thought they were going to save me pain and suffering but I felt I was being given the hard sell.
Even when I was on the table for the CVS (which I had to insist on) the dr offered to abort! I really wish all the info had been presented to me in a completely neutral manner, allowing me the decision without any pressure or influence.
The same goes for the reverse, drs certainly shouldn't be sugarcoating or lying to prevent a couple from terminating.
btw my daughter is fine! She's nearly 4 and is already reading simple words. If I'd listened to these people the world would have lost a very intelligent, sweet little girl.
Even when I was on the table for the CVS (which I had to insist on) the dr offered to abort! I really wish all the info had been presented to me in a completely neutral manner, allowing me the decision without any pressure or influence..
I agree. I think the law is really over-stepping boundaries.
Found this article: https://www.aclu.org/blog/reproducti...-wont-hurt-you
If this bill passes then your doctor will be allowed to lie to you about the condition of your baby if s/he thinks the information will lead to an abortion.
But I was wondering, can your doctor lie to you about lying to you? Let's say I asked my doctor if s/he would lie to me about the condition of my baby if s/he thought I would get an abortion and s/he said they wouldnt lie....but then they did lie and I found out. Could I press charges then?
Just curious.
So you are essentially left to guess if your physian will be honest with you. It brings to mind the old riddle about person reaching a fork in the road and not knowing which way leads to safety and which way leads to the enemy. A local is also there and he comes from one of two towns: one where they only tell the truth, and one where they only lie. The game is to ask only one question but still get him to tell you the right road to take.
I'd like to see some kind of middle ground in this arena, as my experience has been that the push is always to terminate if something less than perfect is found. My daughter had a cystic hygroma and I was told to terminate by 2 doctors and 1 geneticist. They said they could arrange the abortion for me immediately... maybe they thought they were going to save me pain and suffering but I felt I was being given the hard sell.
Even when I was on the table for the CVS (which I had to insist on) the dr offered to abort! I really wish all the info had been presented to me in a completely neutral manner, allowing me the decision without any pressure or influence.
The same goes for the reverse, drs certainly shouldn't be sugarcoating or lying to prevent a couple from terminating.
btw my daughter is fine! She's nearly 4 and is already reading simple words. If I'd listened to these people the world would have lost a very intelligent, sweet little girl.
To me, this is much more difficult to address. Your doctor here was not lying, yet was clearly over-zealous on his opinions. We pay them to give us their opinions, so it is a much different animal than a doctor actively lying to you.
That said, I am sorry you had to go through that. Pressuring you is not fair.
So now the anti-abortion crowd is seeking to erode trust between a woman and her doctor? Seeking to treat women (and their husbands) like they are incapable of making a decision about their own child?
The people who will be the targets of these laws are people who have already decided they WANT the child and are looking forward to the birth - finding out their in-utero baby has major problems is devastating and tragic for those parents. They do not decide to abort on a WHIM! It's probably the hardest and worst decision of their lives. Why must we torture them with the possibility their doctor is LYING about their child?
So much lawsuit potential! What if the baby's condition could be improved by early intervention? OR what if the baby's condition will cause it to spontaneously abort, which could be dangerous to a mother's life if that happens late in the term? And the mother would have no idea that was a possibility?
What's next on the list? Are they planning to make it legal for a doctor not to tell a pregnant woman that she will likely die if she tries to carry to terms and/or gives birth?
Why can't anti-abortion politicians and lawyers stay out of this? They are NOT helping ANYONE.
A woman/couple and their doctor should be able to speak freely, honestly, and openly about the medical conditions of both baby and mother!
My friend was told that baby had many issues. She almost aborted.
Baby was born perfectly healthy.
My other friend had a normal pregnancy until 24 weeks when her water broke and she had a preemie. Baby was healthy in the womb but had many issues after birth.
My friend was told that baby had many issues. She almost aborted.
Baby was born perfectly healthy.
My other friend had a normal pregnancy until 24 weeks when her water broke and she had a preemie. Baby was healthy in the womb but had many issues after birth.
Tests are not always 100% accurate.
We were told our oldest tested high for Downs. Pidge called me at work crying very uncontrollably. We had to drive to St. Louis to speak with someone about our "options". We knew either way we were keeping the baby but had to go. She is 12 now, a brat and a bit whiny, but a normal healthy child.
Alot of unnecessary grief and worry brought our way for nothing IMO.
Back to the topic though. I'm part of the "anti-abortion" crowd. I don't agree with this law. I don't discount the tests....I just think that the info gleaned from them could be handed out with a disclaimer. The test could be wrong.
That law would make no sense at all. Even if you are more on the anti abortion side like me. If you are going to have a baby you should be ready for its needs. Especially if it has special needs. Politicians on both sides need to get there heads out of there butts and work on the important stuff.
We were told our oldest tested high for Downs. Pidge called me at work crying very uncontrollably. We had to drive to St. Louis to speak with someone about our "options". We knew either way we were keeping the baby but had to go. She is 12 now, a brat and a bit whiny, but a normal healthy child.
Alot of unnecessary grief and worry brought our way for nothing IMO.
Back to the topic though. I'm part of the "anti-abortion" crowd. I don't agree with this law. I don't discount the tests....I just think that the info gleaned from them could be handed out with a disclaimer. The test could be wrong.
I am sorry you had to go through that. We had some of that for our youngest, but were given a lot of disclaimers (initial results, not a common result, marker not strong, etc.). They really worked the balance between keeping us informed and managing our expectations. We thought they handled it about as well as they could, so it is disappointing to learn that others have had such a bad experience (though I probably should not be surprised given my experience with my sons condition as it was conveyed - worst case scenario with little discussion on chances of it occuring).
Then I am allowed to lie about the direction I was holding a gun when I pulled the trigger near that doctor. Sorry, Goose, Gander....etc.
whoa turbo...rage much??
I think it's a precarious situation for a women. If she isnt told about the abnormalities and then has the child, is she really going to look at her child and think, "I wish the doctor had told me so I could have terminated you." Strange situation for a women to be in, I think.
They are my employee. I pay them to do what they do because they are trained and they ostensibly follow professional, moral and ethical guidelines. If they willfully violate that, then all bets are off.
If a doctor does that then the next time he or she gets on an airplane I sincerely hope that the pilot just feels it's appropriate to crash the plane.
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Doctor can legally lie to you about your baby 
