So if someone who felt strongly about their canidate to the point they got angry over your choice of canidates, and they try and give you an "ultimatum" of either you changing your canidate choice or else they can no longer associate with you, would you simply say "adios" and kick them to the curb or make the change?
Look, I'm really political, and I have some pretty strong views. BUT I also happen to think that the cornerstone of our democracy is the diversity of political views. Everyone has the right to their opinion, isn't that what the whole point is?
There may be people that I choose not to associate with based on their political views -- to violate Godwin's, no, if you're a neo-Nazi I'm unlikely to ever let you get close enough to be a friend. But someone I am already friends with, and I find out that they like a candidate I find abhorrent? Well, then, we'll just avoid discussing politics. It's really none of my business who they vote for.
The world sure would be boring if we all thought the same.
Look, I'm really political, and I have some pretty strong views. BUT I also happen to think that the cornerstone of our democracy is the diversity of political views. Everyone has the right to their opinion, isn't that what the whole point is?
There may be people that I choose not to associate with based on their political views -- to violate Godwin's, no, if you're a neo-Nazi I'm unlikely to ever let you get close enough to be a friend. But someone I am already friends with, and I find out that they like a candidate I find abhorrent? Well, then, we'll just avoid discussing politics. It's really none of my business who they vote for.
The world sure would be boring if we all thought the same.
My father and I cannot discuss politics at all. So we just don't. He has been a Democrat since I can remember and nothing I say can sway him. Nor should it.
I try and never discuss politics in person unless that person is 100% on board with my choice, or if I know that they are respectful of my canidate choice and they approach everything in a peaceful manner.
But with that being said I have a co-worker that I've been casual friends with for 3 years at work and on Facebook, and he looooooves Romney and hates Obama and had been continuously peppering me with anti-propaganda to the point I asked him to change the subject several times! So he got to a point where he said that if I did not change my vote or at least consider changing my vote, that we could no longer associate on a friendly basis. Well I am definitely not a person you give an ultimatum to about anything, and seeing how we were only casual friends anyway the choice was very easy for me.............ADIOS(and I told him that we'd only discuss things that are "work related" from now on).
I'd try to salvage the relationship but I sure wouldn't back off my views to please someone. If they choose to kick me to the curb, that's their deal.
FYI, I'm not an Obama supporter (I know, surprise, surprise) but I wouldn't disassociate myself from someone who was. But I wouldn't pretend to agree with them either. I would simply agree to disagree and secretly hope they change their mind.
"...if you're a neo-Nazi I'm unlikely to ever let you get close enough to be a friend."
You are a perfect example of the problem with democracy: knee jerk reactions by people to names and “buzzwords”, instead of a reasoned response.
How many neo-Nazis do you know? Have you actually read any of their positions or the beliefs being espoused? Are you familiar with even one of the several multi-point manifestos promulgated by any of these groups?
You may have friends, now, who are neo-Nazis but who would not bother to discuss these matters with you because they know that you have been brainwashed, all of your life, against such groups. I suggest that before you, or anyone else, adopt such a stern and arbitrary position on any question you at least try to educate yourself about it.
Even if I ended up voting for their candidate, it would be adios for presenting such an ultimatum in the first place.
On a related note, I have had my opinion of someone change due to their political beliefs. For instance, someone who states they're voting straight ticket <insert party> because it's just always what they've done. And no, of course they don't have any informed opinion on the candidate because they actually haven't bothered to find out anything about him/her, but they're sure he/she is the best candidate because he/she is a <insert party>.
Honestly, I start knocking estimated intelligence points off for that sort of thing.
"...if you're a neo-Nazi I'm unlikely to ever let you get close enough to be a friend."
You are a perfect example of the problem with democracy: knee jerk reactions by people to names and “buzzwords”, instead of a reasoned response.
How many neo-Nazis do you know? Have you actually read any of their positions or the beliefs being espoused? Are you familiar with even one of the several multi-point manifestos promulgated by any of these groups?
You may have friends, now, who are neo-Nazis but who would not bother to discuss these matters with you because they know that you have been brainwashed, all of your life, against such groups. I suggest that before you, or anyone else, adopt such a stern and arbitrary position on any question you at least try to educate yourself about it.
So now someone who does not agree with "neo-Nazi" points of view and groups is brain washed?
Frankly it's sad the way the two sides vitriolic noise is causing so many people grief in their personal lives like you mention. When in reality both sides are answering to billionaires who are bankrolling them.
It's ridiculous for us common folk to pick sides here and get really worked up.
Frankly it's sad the way the two sides vitriolic noise is causing so many people grief in their personal lives like you mention. When in reality both sides are answering to billionaires who are bankrolling them.
It's ridiculous for us common folk to pick sides here and get really worked up.
You are right. Both sides are actually going after the same thing... to hand over as much control of the wealth in this country and to world to the billionaires.
And so many people seem to be buying the nonsense that boils down to making it so that we all lose just about everything we have worked for.
The only people that I will allow to give me ultimatums on certain things is my wife, my boss, and those in charge of the law. That's because one I have to live with everyday and is my intimate partner, the second holds my money/paycheck in the palm of his hand, and the third holds the keys to my freedom; so if you're not one of those three never try and threaten me with any ultimatums.
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If someone gave you a "political ultimatum"? 
that's a no brainer.
