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post #76 of 152 (permalink) Old 12-04-2014, 08:43 AM
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Re: Husband says no more Christmas Tree, Santa, Easter, kids upset

What does that have to do with a kid getting to dress up in a fun costume and run from house to house getting the one thing kids like most - candy? Where's the 'falling from God' in that? The only kids thinking about falling from God at that point are the ones sitting in their homes watching all the other kids outside having fun, and not understanding why 'their' God makes it evil.

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Nobody is being turned to the devil, just turned away from God!

The Gospel of Christ is "grace: unmerited favor," The gospel of Santa Claus is merited favor.

Of course its more appealing to believe you earned Gods favor, rather than believing He loves you in spite of your failures.

That's why religion is so appealing, you earned it like a slave. You worked off that debt, indulge your pleasures.

Christianity is so in appealing, because you earn nothing, God earned it, and in spite of your sin, He wants to share the reward, if you only quit trying to earn it yourself and TRUST Him 100%. If you trust yourself 1%, you don't trust God enough to be a believer. That's why Christ says, take up your cross, surrender, consider yourself dead to your cause, GIVE UP, and follow me.

I don't think the liberty of Christianity is meant to be enjoyed, its meant to free you from this fallen world's traditions, and enjoy uncorruptible word.

Adultery seems fun, exciting, and filled with pleasure, but that doesn't make it right, its the same for idolatry...

Marriage is a type, a shadow, or an example, of God's relationship to man... Sex is a type/example of what worship should be. How does it feel when your cheated on, that's how God feels when you worship man made characters, or dead people, or statues of dead people. If your christian your cheating... if your not, well then your just heathen. I guess your not offending God since your not in a covenant with him, He is disappointed just as you would be to witness somebody else's affair, but he isn't grieved to the heart, cause you aren't His.
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So much easier to be single too.
Though I don't share your sentiment, I just want to say I am impressed by your response.
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The Gospel of Christ is "grace: unmerited favor," The gospel of Santa Claus is merited favor.
Beyond ridiculous.. there is no "gospel of Santa Claus"

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I "Presbyterian/Christian" used to buy into the superficial elements of Christmas and Easter. Then after having my first child questioned how my traditions will effect the raising of my child.

A lot of what your husband is teaching you is correct, that these "holiday icons" have pagan origins. Easter bunny is an obvious one, BUT, he is grossly misinformed on Santa Claus. "Santa" is a Latin word for "Holy," "Claus" is Latin for "guise, disguise," the history is that Nicolas, a wealthy bishop used the entirety of his inheritance to buy food and gifts for young children who were forced into prostitution by their parents for family income. He choose to use the disguise so that God wold be glorified for his charity instead of taking the glory onto himself.

Nicolas himself would find it repugnant that you teach your children to praise and worship an idol rather than Christ, the whole purpose was to give glory to Christ.

Anything that takes the place of GOD is considered an idol, and it seems pretty demonic that we have twisted one of the best witnesses of Gods love and grace into an idol for our children to worship in song and praise, on Christ's day.
No one worships Santa Claus.

Claus is not Latin for "guise" or "disguise"



verbs

dissimulo - disguise, pretend, ignore, conceal, hide, dissemble

concelo - cover, veil, screen, shroud, cloak, disguise


nouns

fucus - drone, disguise, seaweed, red paint, red color, purple color

persona - person, mask, personality, character, individual, disguise

dissimulatio - dissimulation, dissembling, concealment, disguise, disguising, hypocrisy

obtentus - pretense, pretext, cloaking, stretch, stretching, disguise

celo, celare, celavi, celatus, dissimulo, integumentum, personatus, fūcōsus, praetexo
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Re: Husband says no more Christmas Tree, Santa, Easter, kids upset

After I learned that the holidays are pagan and witchcraft in origin and obviously have nothing to do with Jesus, Christianity and faith, made me really rethink what I've done most of my life......without questioning or thinking about it.

The facts are facts. No sugar coating them.

My wife and I don't decorate and celebrate pagan witchcraft holidays anymore. Our choice. Doesn't mean we ignore our friends and family who do for the holidays. We show them the respect they do for us and enjoy being with them, no matter how they decorate their homes, their choice.

Being Christian means not doing what secular pagan society deems as cool, and fun. Being a Christian means trying to follow God's commands and not ignore them, making excuses and getting angry.

Participating in these secular events doesn't make you a pagan, a witch, etc. very true and leave Christianity. But being a Christian does mean to try and follow what God has commanded us, instead of going with the secular flow....and ignoring what he's told us.

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If the household is not primarily Christian and you raised the kids to participate in Halloween, Easter Bunny, Christmas - Santa Claus, etc. that's a big mistake and not going to work if you suddenly take this all away.

Either you are Christian, the household and raise the kids to be Christians and then they know about these pagan witchcraft based holidays, or you don't.

Can't force non believing household to give this all up or a believing household to partake in these holidays.

That's not fair either way.

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After I learned that the holidays are pagan and witchcraft in origin and obviously have nothing to do with Jesus, Christianity and faith, made me really rethink what I've done most of my life......without questioning or thinking about it.

The facts are facts. No sugar coating them.

My wife and I don't decorate and celebrate pagan witchcraft holidays anymore. Our choice. Doesn't mean we ignore our friends and family who do for the holidays. We show them the respect they do for us and enjoy being with them, no matter how they decorate their homes, their choice.

Being Christian means not doing what secular pagan society deems as cool, and fun. Being a Christian means trying to follow God's commands and not ignore them, making excuses and getting angry.

Participating in these secular events doesn't make you a pagan, a witch, etc. very true and leave Christianity. But being a Christian does mean to try and follow what God has commanded us, instead of going with the secular flow....
I have a different point of few.

When I do things like decorate a tree, I'm not practicing any pagan ritual. To be practicing a pagan ritual I'd have to be thinking that pagans thought about this.

A tree is just a decoration. It has on religious meaning. I also like to make a nice centerpiece on my table with flower, pine branches, candles, etc.


In the OT there are many verses like this....

Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."

The purpose of these laws/rules were to differentiate the Jewish people from the worshipers of Ra. The worshipers of RA cut their hair at their temples.. even if they had long hair. The worshipers of RA also cut their beards on the sides to create the short, rectangular beard that we see in a lot of ancient Egyptian art.

But today Jews and Christians do cut their hair at the temple and not only cut their beard at the edges... completely shave them off. (except for the most fundamental sects) They do it because there is no need anymore to not do it... the number of people who worship RA today are near zero, if not zero. There is no need to day to teach people to be different from pagan RA worshipers.

If you want to take everything that pagans, "witches", etc did in the past as something that you must not do.. even when it has no meaning to you... you better no cut your hair or trim/shave your beard any more.

You also need to wear cloaks with tassels and to a whole lot more things that make no senses today.

We can take almost any action that a human does and find some pagan/witch thing that can be applied to it. Every single day of the year has some pagan/witch meaning that can be applied to it. But these have no meaning to those who are not practicing pagans/witches.

We have freedom of religion. Anyone can practice any darn thing they want. But I have an issue with people who twist and fabricate things to try to make others guilty of things they do not do.

I don't worship Santa Claus. I don't worship trees or gods who live in trees. But I do enjoy the fun of Santa and Christmas trees.
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If the household is not primarily Christian and you raised the kids to participate in Halloween, Easter Bunny, Christmas - Santa Claus, etc. that's a big mistake and not going to work if you suddenly take this all away.

Either you are Christian, the household and raise the kids to be Christians and then they know about these pagan witchcraft based holidays, or you don't.

Can't force non believing household to give this all up or a believing household to partake in these holidays.

That's not fair either way.
Hundreds of millions of Christian participate in these holidays. If you don't want to, that's your choice. You are way out of line judging the faith of others.
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"The real St. Nick wasn't a fat, pale, and rosy-cheeked jolly fella. He was quite the opposite.

Born almost 300 years after Christ, Saint Nicholas was a darker complected Greek holy man who became bishop of a small town called Myra (now present-day Turkey). Sure, he probably had jolly good days, but his reputation was of a more serious nature: He was described as a firebrand and staunch defender of Christian doctrine and spent years in prison for refusing to reject his faith during religious persecution.

Portrayed as a bearded bishop in canonical robes, Saint Nicholas's feast day is celebrated on the anniversary of his death, December 6th. His strong faith created a lasting legacy among the saints, and as such, two main stories planted the seed that would — many centuries later — bring about the fat, bearded man in a red suit bearing gifts to young children.

What were those two stories? The first reinforced Saint Nicholas's reputation as protector of the poor. Legend has it that he saved three impoverished daughters from a life of prostitution by providing for their dowries. He offered three bags of gold for the young women, of which he tossed through an open window. The bags of gold landed into socks that were left near the chimney to dry."

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I "Presbyterian/Christian" used to buy into the superficial elements of Christmas and Easter. Then after having my first child questioned how my traditions will effect the raising of my child.

A lot of what your husband is teaching you is correct, that these "holiday icons" have pagan origins. Easter bunny is an obvious one, BUT, he is grossly misinformed on Santa Claus. "Santa" is a Latin word for "Holy," "Claus" is Latin for "guise, disguise," .....
You are making a very common mistake.. thinking that language/words used in the USA are what the rest of the world uses and that they go back to history centries ago.

The Dutch (Dutch/German origin) called St. Nicholas Sint Nikolaas, or Sinter Klaas. The name "Klass" is a nick name for "Nikolass". You know like how "Frank" is a nick name for "Franklin", "Tom" for "Thomas", and so on.

When they came to America, they shortened it to Sint Kolaas. Then it was further Americanized to Santa Claus. "Claus" is the phonetic Americanization of "Kolass".

Outside the USA St. Nicholas has different names not using "Kolass" or "Claus"

Country............Name
Belgium...........Pere Noel
Brazil...............Papai Noel
Chile................Viejo Pascuero (“Old Man Christmas”)
China...............Dun Che Lao Ren (“Christmas Old Man”)
Netherlands......Kerstman
Finland.............Joulupukki
France..............Pere Noel
Germany..........Weihnachtsmann (“Christmas Man”)
Hawaii..............Kanakaloka
Hungary...........Mikulas (St. Nicholas)
Italy................Babbo Natale, or Papa Natale (both mean "Father Christmas"
Japan...............Hoteiosho (a god or priest who bears gifts)
Norway............Julenissen (“Christmas gnome”)
Poland.............Swiety Mikolaj (St. Nicholas)
Russia.............Ded Moroz (“Grandfather Frost”)
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Hundreds of millions of Christian participate in these holidays. If you don't want to, that's your choice. You are way out of line judging the faith of others.

I did the research and I know what is what.

If hundreds of millions of people jump up and down, off a bridge......you will do the same? Awesome.

Christians have been told not to participate in these pagan events by God from the Bible. If Christians actually know this, and still practice it anyway, they aren't following what God has told them.

We have been told to come out and be separate......so if millions ignore this, their choice.

I'm not judging anyone, but God will.

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If you know the origins of these pagan holidays, why as a Christian partake in them?

Over time, we have sugar coated it, tastes better, looks nicer, etc. to the point no one really knows or even cares were all these pagan holidays came from and what they truly mean. We just practice them and its all fun.....ignorance is bliss.

I never knew the true origins of these pagan witchcraft holidays and I participated in them blindly.......because everyone else did. Now I know the true origins and what they really mean and I no longer participate of them in our household. I am actually following what God told us, to come out and be separate......

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IDK, my H and I are Christians and raised our daughter a Christian and we are able to both do a lot in the name of Christianity and enjoy our society's holidays and traditions. As I've said, her believing in Santa Claus, us giving her Christmas presents, has had NO effect on her being a Christian, and she chooses Christian-based charities to volunteer with. Feel free to deny your own children the life that 95% of their peers live so that they forever feel different. As you said, your choice. Just stop telling us that your way is the 'right' way. Don't forget, most people on earth aren't even Christians; and they are just as good and deserving as we are.
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You are making a very common mistake.. thinking that language/words used in the USA are what the rest of the world uses and that they go back to history centries ago.
And let's not even get started on how the Bible wasn't even written for 3 centuries and MORE after Jesus died, and the different geographical factions FOUGHT political fights over which pieces would be included in the Bible, and even which parts were TRUE, and even then, it was written by hand, in a language that's been translated 2 times before it came to modern English. And let's not even talk about what the King James version did to the Bible for political reasons. I have to laugh when people quote King James Bible as though it's the absolute final word on things. Take me back to the castles 1800 years ago when they were discussing how to put the Bible together, and if they said exactly what King James says, I'll come back and apologize for dismissing it. Until then, I'll believe in the INTENT of God's word. It's served us pretty well.
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