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If you feel comfortable deceiving your children, and marginalizing Christ in favor of traditional wives tales that promote merit rather than grace, more power to you... I would imagine anybody that speaks truth to your children about the lies you hold so sacred to the childhood experience would be condemned to death, such is the patterns of scripture, humanity will always condemn anything that stands between them and object of worship, even if that means condemning God himself.
Just...wow.

I do feel comfortable ensuring that my daughter enjoyed the CULTURE of my country - thrilling over the thought of Santa Claus visiting her, knowing if she's good or bad, going through her belongings to donate stuff to more needy kids very Christmas, enjoying making or buying gifts to give people she loves and seeing the look in their eyes when they realize how much effort she put into it, driving around to look at house lights, throwing a party so she can enjoy a festive time with her best friends, getting to see family she rarely sees...yeah, I feel pretty darn good about that.

Did that make her less Christian? No. She is quite intelligent - like most people. Like most people she's utterly capable of realizing that enjoying the culture of her country in no way speaks to her love for and reverence of God.

And I don't know where YOU live, but around here, we don't condemn people to death (unless they're a convicted murderer, but that's another story), ESPECIALLY when they are doing positive, helpful, decent, loving things. And everyone I know (except maybe some religious zealots) WELCOMES honest discussion, opposing views, and an open mind. Too bad there seems to be short supply of that.

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Because the land is known for its evergreens, and the evergreens have always been admired by the culture that surrounds them. Anybody that claims the evergreen wasn't native to old testament the geography, to make a straw-man argument against ecumenical context could be dismissed easily, they have no knowledge of their own claims let alone little knowledge to argue another's as "fallacy."
My argument poorly executed, I already conceded that. In the end, as noted, EleGirl made and continues to make the point I was attempting to in a far more intelligent manner than I did. It was not indeed, my most eloquent post.

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I would imagine anybody that speaks truth to your children about the lies you hold so sacred to the childhood experience would be condemned to death, such is the patterns of scripture, humanity will always condemn anything that stands between them and object of worship, even if that means condemning God himse
Actually, I have never actively taught my child about Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. His knowledge of that comes purely from his exposure to the wider culture via television or seeing them portrayed. I have never said either would be bringing presents or rewards. I don't indeed, threaten my autism-spectrum son with cosmic punishment from either for poor behavior. I don't mention them at all.

I actually, personally, hate Christmas as it is. It is the time of year I find it most painful to attempt to actively forget how dysfunctional my wider family. I find little indeed wonder in the whole thing and find it a painful time that is only brightened with time off from work. In honesty, with my history of depression, it's quite possible I have some sort of SDD that is simply made worse by my own personal experience with the Christmas season.

So ... I don't really "hold it so sacred to the childhood experience" I have to actively push myself to want to do anything at all, but do so for my son's sake.

I honestly only got involved in this cluster of a discussion at all because as I laid out early in the original lifeline of this thread, widely accepted fallacies about pagans/druids and their connection to Christmas trees kind of rubs me wrong.
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Actually, I have never actively taught my child about Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. His knowledge of that comes purely from his exposure to the wider culture via television or seeing them portrayed. I have never said either would be bringing presents or rewards. I don't indeed, threaten my autism-spectrum son with cosmic punishment from either for poor behavior.

I actually, personally, hate Christmas as it is. It is the time of year I find it most painful to attempt to actively forget how dysfunctional my wider family.
Your second statement belies your first. YOUR bad experience.

And since when does the Easter Bunny not give candy if you're bad?
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I personally never said a word about Christmas trees, and it doesn't at all concern me. I don't care or have an opinion on what is, was, or might be pagan.
No, you just tried to cryptically take aim at them through this:

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the flag of Lebanon has an evergreen on it for a reason.
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Your second statement belies your first. YOUR bad experience.

And since when does the Easter Bunny not give candy if you're bad?
The first sentence confuses me, Tunera.

It's what my Mom implied when I was a kid.
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Never once did I mention anything about Christmas trees, eggs, or even Halloween or costumes, I did mention the Easter bunny, and Santa Claus.

Your confusing me and another poster.

I don't even believe myself that Halloween is anything more than Children playing dress up, and any folklore surrounding the event has been lost in the ages or altogether left out for the sake of our children.

I mention the easter bunny and Santa because these aren't ancient traditions carried through the ages. they are modern traditions that have little or nothing but circumstanced significance to a long forgotten practice.

I believe teaching your children that Santa is as much a reason to celebrate Christmas as is Christ is idolatry, and I believe the same for the Easter Bunny.

I don't believe that deceiving your children into believing in Santa, or praising him in song makes you an idol worshiper. Sleeping around on your wife doesn't make you a adulterer. Your actions only confirm your hearts desire.

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The words opinion is just that, it isn't going to change your husband, he believes he is better serving God this way, weather you or anybody feels he is or not doesn't change the facts, it only helps to validate that yourself and the world may share the same opinions.

I trust that if you are a Christian, one thing you have considered is Ephesians 5:24. And know that you are doing what God has asked of you.
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I personally never said a word about Christmas trees, and it doesn't at all concern me. I don't care or have an opinion on what is, was, or might be pagan.
You raised the issue of evergreens existing in the Middle East in response to a post saying that Christmas trees were not used in Judea in Biblical times.
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Never once did I mention anything about Christmas trees, eggs, or even Halloween or costumes, I did mention the Easter bunny, and Santa Claus.

Your confusing me and another poster.
You tried to refute that Christmas trees did not exist in Judea in Biblical times by pointing out that evergreens exist n Lebanon.

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I mention the easter bunny and Santa because these aren't ancient traditions carried through the ages. they are modern traditions that have little or nothing but circumstanced significance to a long forgotten practice.
Ancient traditions are not the only traditions that matter. Through out all of history traditions change and new ones are added. Each new generation adds something new to traditions and society.


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I believe teaching your children that Santa is as much a reason to celebrate Christmas as is Christ is idolatry, and I believe the same for the Easter Bunny.
People who make Santa the reason for the season are not religious people. And as non-religious they are not making an idol out of Santa. A person has to worship something as a god in order to make it an idol.

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I don't believe that deceiving your children into believing in Santa, or praising him in song makes you an idol worshiper. Sleeping around on your wife doesn't make you a adulterer. Your actions only confirm your hearts desire.
Songs out Santa are not "praising Santa". You are working so hard to try to make Santa into a idol that it's getting ridiculous.
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The first sentence confuses me, Tunera.

It's what my Mom implied when I was a kid.
Na, the Easter Bunny does not keep and naughty and nice list and only give to good kids. Sounds like your mother found a way to get you to behave better leading up to Easter.
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This is how heresies are born when folks don't check their facts on reliable sources. The Bible states very plainly that not one who is saved will be snatched from Christ's hand, not one, therefore my "doing" doesn't save me, the power of God does. My "doing" is born from adoring Him and is the "evidence" that He is in fact in me, it cannot be not the other way around since the power is not of me.

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I'm here putting up my Christmas decorations, and I'm looking at the set of Santa Clauses my SIL gave me. They are depictions of all the different versions of Santa Claus that exist all over the world, which show the style of each country. Santa Clauses that have been in 'existence' in these countries for hundreds and hundreds of years. Why do they all have Santa Clauses? Because human nature makes us want to have a reason and a setting to be grateful and giving and supportive and to come together to celebrate. Even if the particular country isn't Christian. Neat that our human nature will come up with something similar across all types of people. Something to think about.
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I do wonder if Santa is more often a thing in countries that are primarily Protestant versus Catholic or Orthodox where Epiphany is a still a thing.

Because I know that in Latin American and Spanish-culture areas there the culture celebrates the Magi AKA The Three Wisemen as whom brings presents and gifts (similarly of course to how they brought them to Jesus.)

And of course, the interesting thing there, as Tunera notes about Santa is the traditional belief that the Three Wisemen represented a very diverse group as they are traditionally represented as three different cultures/races.
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Hmmm, sounds like a great subject to study!
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When Jesus and his disciples were alive, did they partake in pagan festivities? No. Did they do Christmas trees, decorations, Easter Bunny, Halloween, etc. No. They knew what it was all about.

So if Jesus and the first true Christians didn't do these things, why are we Christians doing them 2000 or so years later?
Jesus and the disciples didn't use computers, so why are we?

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Are you a Quaker, Cuddlebug? No? Then why are you using electricity, cars, COMPUTERS? They weren't around for Jesus to use, either.
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