"And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, 'Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?' He answered, 'Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.' They said to him, 'Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?' He said to them, 'For your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so"' (Mt 19:3ff., cf. also Mk 10:2ff.).
what part of from the beginning dont you understand? Jesus Christ referred twice to the "beginning."
we are created in Gods image with the ability to choose our behaviors therefore negating the animal theory...although i do crave fish now and then like pengins>>>
i hope you know this topic is pretty funny and can take a prod now and then but in all seriousness as bad as i want to God does not need me to defend his word , he can do that on his own my only wish is for the non-beleivers to do some serious soul searching...that is IF you beleive you have one
Therefore, "the beginning" means that which Genesis speaks about. Christ quoted Genesis 1:27 in summary form: "In the beginning the Creator made them male and female." The original passage reads textually as follows: "God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Subsequently, the Master referred to Genesis 2:24: "Therefore, a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh." Quoting these words almost in full, Christ gave them an even more explicit normative meaning (since it could be supported that in Genesis they express de facto statements:"leaves...cleaves...they become one flesh"). The normative meaning is plausible since Christ did not confine himself only to the quotation itself, but added: "So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder." That "let not man put asunder" is decisive. In the light of these words of Christ, Genesis 2:24 sets forth the principle of the unity and indissolubility of marriage as the very content of the Word of God, expressed in the most ancient revelation.
It could be maintained at this point that the problem is exhausted, that Jesus Christ's words confirm the eternal law formulated and set up by God from "the beginning" as the creation of man. It might also seem that the Master, confirming this original law of the Creator, did nothing but establish exclusively his own normative meaning, referring to the authority itself of the first Legislator. However, that significant expression "from the beginning," repeated twice, clearly induced his interlocutors to reflect on the way in which man was formed in the mystery of creation, precisely as "male and female," in order to understand correctly the normative sense of the words of Genesis. This is no less valid for the people of today than for those of that time. …
it is as good today is it was back then there is nothing new under the sun only that we get in our own way be it laziness, arrogance, pride and self importance ...yes we are so special and we have are own idea about life forget the scholors of over 2000 AD -years of teaching..."we must persist that we have the answers and that everyone else is part of some conspiracy and or idiosyncrasy…the moon and sun rises in OUR backyard unilke the thousands of years before us,,,
On the steppes some nomadic tribes, many of which are cultures of their own, practiced matriachy, or polygamy or even polyandry - depending on the history of a certain people or environmental or situational issues.
Just putting it out there. But of course, we were "pagans" and such.
Marriage is not just and "idea"...It is the PLAN.
Talk about divorce rates, that is mankind's fault, we screwed it up not God.
So based on murder rates, is "living" the idea???
Just because we as humans manage to corrupt and turn things around to fit what we want in life doesn't mean God messed up.
EVERYTHING is part of His plan...Good, Bad, or Indifferent..it all works out the way He wants it too
Well said...we live in a fallen world where mankind does not always conform to God's plan for our lives and marriages. I believe I was divinely led to my wife as a young man. Been married for 31 years and have seen God's hand of blessing in all areas of our marriage where we have submitted to His plan for us. We are still madly in love with each other...something that is not easy to achieve without help from the Almighty.
well....guess no mature christians picked up on this thread. that, or they jealously
guard whats been revealed to them, or they're not sure, or...
Or, one of the themes/things i was looking for was whether or
not God had a different plan in mind for marriage when forming
ha'adam and later Eve out of mankind; seeing how HIS ways are
higher than our ways, likewise HIS thoughts to ours.
I find it very interesting how Jesus states it (esp in the orig greek) in the N.T. re: men divorcing their wives (patriarchal society), several times over and WHOS the real Husband to the oft marr'd Wife. Remember, what He said about them made male and female... & they'd be as the Angels in Heaven (in the resurrection), neither marr'd nor given in marriage.female, nor given in marriage.
And also, when speaking of the end time He said "as in the days
of Noah, In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat.---Matt 24:38-
interesting He couldve mentioned any other way/thing to describe the end time atmosphere, fornication, homosexuality,
beastiality, gluttony, sorcery, etc. BUT He used/mentioned
marriage and giving in marriage (as in, by humans...not by
hmmm.....interesting, if u have an "eye" to see, or an "ear" to hear.
In my case yes.
I had a specific prayer and it was answered by H showing up at my door with flowers (and apparently, mucho baggage including his ex-gf and an entourage of unstable women friends - one of whom claimed to be married to him in some way...and some challenging relatives.)
So that is that.
It doesn't escape my notice that God created my H and immediately after he was born I was conceived. :-|
H claims to be an atheist. I'm not sure who he is trying to fool.
of significance is the fact that ha'adam was formed of the earth/dirt/clay/dust (pick yer adjective) and eve was formed
from within adam, not of the earth. interesting when u learn
of the significances of this via law, rights, proclivities, etc.
but u'll have to study that/these out for yerself in the hebrew
greek, and commentary texts, cuz i know Baptists, Catholics,
and the like will just "dis" whatever work someone else shows.
SEE what u find, share if u like.
Some may also wish to word-study out what ha'adam in hebrew
means as some here still think as they've been told to think, not what they studied for themselves. hint: its not a name
for ONE (big/little) man.
Also of note is looking at the hebrew characters of...say, the
names of God, adam, eve, etc.
very interesting stuff if u see the "patterns" & learn of the
Here's the main reason I 'preach' (for lack of a better word there) monogamy to my children (this article really hit home the point for me!!)The Damage of Sexual Promiscuity
I hope this helps some folks the way it's helped me to unerstand the importance.