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Our oldest is a christian, me & him disagree on Homosexuality..in one aspect anyway...in how they handle it... He believes they are born this way... but he feels it is wrong behavior so therefor these men should hold their lusts and struggle to be sexless.
You mean like catholic priests struggle to be sexless?

I'm afraid they may just find a new target for said sexuality, and woe betide when they lose the struggle, which they will lose.

Even St. Augustine was still visited by 'Succubi' in his dreams.

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no one is born gay! like begets like. Straight begets straight. Gay begets...oh sorry - nothing. Why do you feel homosexuality is ok but not bestiality & paedophilia? A person will feel strange passion/desires at one/many times, but does that mean you should fulfill them? If a 12yr old seduces you, will you have sex with him/her? Or if you love your dog and it has a big/thick erect ****, will you have sex with your dog? Instill in a child to KNOW that being gay is NOT an option, so that when s/he feels those passions, s/he knows not to entertain them.
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I totally have 100% respect for gay people and married gay couples.
However, growing up in a catholic high school, I've been told that if a gay couple is married, then that is not exactly the correct thing.

Me, I believe God wants everyone to be with whoever they love and makes them happy, whether it's the same sex or different sex.

What do you guys think?
Actually it's not about what we THINK or FEEL but what God says in His Holy Scripture.

I would want all to marry and be in love but it is not about MY opinion, but what GOD has designed as HIS perfect union, husband and wife. Whose to argue with God?

Holy Scripture is without sin, therefore homosexuality which God condemns in Holy Scripture IS sin.

That being said I do feel that a lot of Christians hate on homosexuals, which is very wrong, they are actually then sinning. There is a big difference between hating the sin and hating the sinner.

This is not a popular opinion, but who can argue with the Holy Word of God?
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I do not understand many things...why God allows children to be born "Intersexed" (Physically neither male nor female OR both & Doctor plays God & corrects) Intersex - Wikipedia , WHY Children are born with down syndrome (seems so unfair)...



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These are the kinds of things that I do not understand that challenge me. Frankly, from my judgment it is just flat unfair.

The challenge comes in when I use my judgment and then consider what the scriptures say. SA your words above give me enough trouble but then I am more troubled because I know about the book of Job in the Old Testament. Here is this guy Job doing everything right and he gets hammered with God allowing the evil one to take from Job his health, wealth and children! God did restore him but what about the first set of dead children?



If God made homosexuals to desire sex with the same sex then what do you expect? God makes a dog and it is no surprise that it barks! I do not understand the homosexual thing!

I was helped by a man called Kirby on these type issues. His son had run into his burning house to save his 1 year old son. The firemen tried to get him to come out but he was frantically looking for his son. He died looking for his 1 year old son who was taken out by his wife earlier.

Kirby was asked about God right after his son’s death. Kirby said “God is sovereign” and said no more. Kirby was not trying to be spiritually correct in front of people he was dead pan serious. I watched Kirby for the next 15-20- years as he worked me from time to time and he never changed his mind; he maintained that God is sovereign.



Kirby did not understand and it all seemed so unfair but he said “God is Sovereign” That to me is faith under fire and also demonstrates that Kirby takes faith over his emotions and his own ability to understand.

Kirby is not an eloquent man and is slow of speech and is not deemed as one of the brighter men in sociality. However, he is a mountain of a man to me. I hope that I can past a test like that if it ever comes my way.



As to what the Kirby story and this thread have in common I would say this. I do not understand homosexuality and I am going to try and be like Kirby and just say that God is Sovereign. I have faith that God is just and have also concluded that our life is more about glorifying God than it is our pleasures. I am still working on living my life to match my conclusions.

One thing that I do understand about God. He wants me to love my neighbor as myself and that is what I am working on. That is also my approach to homosexuality

I love SAs posts because she always challenges me with substance! In addition she adds knowledge to my scripture understanding like her quote below


In Ezekiel 16:49-50, it says ....."Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit."
It was also.... 1) Pride 2) Gluttony 3) Laziness & 4) Not caring for the Poor .
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no one is born gay! like begets like. Straight begets straight. Gay begets...oh sorry - nothing. Why do you feel homosexuality is ok but not bestiality & paedophilia? A person will feel strange passion/desires at one/many times, but does that mean you should fulfill them? If a 12yr old seduces you, will you have sex with him/her? Or if you love your dog and it has a big/thick erect ****, will you have sex with your dog? Instill in a child to KNOW that being gay is NOT an option, so that when s/he feels those passions, s/he knows not to entertain them.
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Like begets like.....prove it. Every gay person I know was created by a heterosexual reproductive process. I have not seen a shred of proof for any specific cause of homosexuality. Therefore I have to conclude it just happens sometimes.....ie people are born that way.

When did you decide to feel heterosexual attraction? I didn't. It just happened. I was born this way.

Pedophilia and beastiality violate the rights of the sexual partner. Homosexual practice between consenting adults doesn't.

The notion of installing in your child......I have seen it tried. It doesn't work, not in every case, anyway.
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Like begets like.....prove it. Every gay person I know was created by a heterosexual reproductive process. I have not seen a shred of proof for any specific cause of homosexuality. Therefore I have to conclude it just happens sometimes.....ie people are born that way.

When did you decide to feel heterosexual attraction? I didn't. It just happened. I was born this way.

Pedophilia and beastiality violate the rights of the sexual partner. Homosexual practice between consenting adults doesn't.

The notion of installing in your child......I have seen it tried. It doesn't work, not in every case, anyway.
If homosexual's are born predisposed to their sexuality, why hasn't the gene been found?

All humans are created with either a penis or vagina. It's common sense that a penis goes into a vagina not an anus, used for waste.

It only within the last 30 yrs or so that society has adopted this do what you feel mentality that people use to justify their ignorance.

America was built on Holy Scripture. I still can't believe how many Americans dismiss this
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Which particular God of which particular religion agrees with this?

You seem to be an atheist, but I understand why you are forced to hide it - it's not safe to admit to being an unbeliever in the land of the free.
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Why do so many Americans not know that the founding father's were Christians??????
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I was raised in a chruch that condemned being gay, believing prayer could cure it. The as an adult I worked with a few gay people. They have been the nicest, compassionate individuals I have met. They are now close friends, that have been there for me in the hardest times of my life. Ironically, this is when the church that I attended and served all my life, turned its back on me.
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This is very sad but all to common. I have been a member of congregations like this too. Try not to generalize. I am a Christian but I also know Christian's, especially some of the women, can be very, very mean. That is the work of the Enemy trying to divide God's kingdom for the better good.

Continue to find a church to support you, not all Christian are full of judgement....

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Why do so many Americans not know that the founding father's were Christians??????
Because they all weren't. Take for example Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and a founding father, he was more a Deist than Christian. He left behind many writings that show while he believed in a god, he didn't believe in the Christian God. He didn't believe in the Trinity either or the birth of Jesus by a virgin. You can read his writings if you don't believe me.
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If homosexual's are born predisposed to their sexuality, why hasn't the gene been found?

All humans are created with either a penis or vagina. It's common sense that a penis goes into a vagina not an anus, used for waste.

It only within the last 30 yrs or so that society has adopted this do what you feel mentality that people use to justify their ignorance.

America was built on Holy Scripture. I still can't believe how many Americans dismiss this
If homosexuality is so easy to change, why do people struggle with their sexuality to the point of suicide?

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Because they all weren't. Take for example Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence and a founding father, he was more a Deist than Christian. He left behind many writings that show while he believed in a god, he didn't believe in the Christian God. He didn't believe in the Trinity either or the birth of Jesus by a virgin. You can read his writings if you don't believe me.

You are correct, Thomas Jefferson was not the only signature on the Declaration of Independence.What do you know of President Lincoln and Washington? Why does our paper and coin money glorify God?

I do not want to debate with you. All of your responses on TAM have been very, very wise. I just don't understand why you have responded on this thread if you are not a Christian
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If homosexuality is so easy to change, why do people struggle with their sexuality to the point of suicide?
Wow, that's a really good point. I don't know the answer. My heart breaks for any one struggling with thoughts of suicide.

I can only say that we all need to help one another...I have very strong convictions according to Scripture, but I am NOT heartless.

To anyone who is struggling with any sin, my self included, gossip, gluttony, alcoholism.......my heart bleeds to show mercy and grace and encouragement to any one who is hurting.

Homosexuality is not so easy to change.....we all struggle with sins, and demons that cripple us from glorifying God. Thank the Almighty he sent his Son, Jesus, to die for us on behalf of our ugly sins......I am so thankful I have Jesus as my Savior because I am very sinful.......
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All of you who are against gay marriage, or disapproving of gays in general . . .do you have children?

If you do, and they turn out to be gay, don't you want them to have the same rights and protections as anyone else in society?
Of course.
I don't think being gay is any worse a sin than premarital sex.
Honestly I don't think it is that special or deserving of all the attention, good and bad.
I don't think I am any less a sinner than someone who is gay.
Their are more health risks for gay men than women however.
But at least you won't have an unplanned pregnancy.
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If homosexuality is so easy to change, why do people struggle with their sexuality to the point of suicide?

I heard of a straight man who cut off his penis. Why? Because he kept falling into the sin of fornication. His reasoning was scriptures said if ur hand causes you to sin, cut it off. He raised alarm when he saw he could die from the resulting bleeding, and that was how he was rescued (after receiving medical attention). My point is, not only homosexuals suffer to the point of contemplating suicide.

Homosexuality is NOT easy to change (same with every addiction). This might give you an idea...James 1:15 says 'Lust gets pregnant, and has a baby: sin! Sin grows up to adulthood, and becomes a real killer.' when the devil holds anyone captive with sin, he is after the destruction of the individual's soul and yes physical death too, because he can truncate the person's life and s/he won't fulfill the purpose for which they were created.
God loves sinners but does he love the sin? If you take out disciplinary measures on your children when they're out of line, does it mean you don't love them?
As christians, we're called to live an indiscriminate life of love to everyone, but not to condone 'wrongness'.
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Like begets like.....prove it. Every gay person I know was created by a heterosexual reproductive process. I have not seen a shred of proof for any specific cause of homosexuality.
You just answered youself


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Pedophilia and beastiality violate the rights of the sexual partner. Homosexual practice between consenting adults doesn't.
Paedophiles are not all rapists, they're just sexually attracted to children. And sometimes, these children too 'consent' to sex.

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The notion of installing in your child......I have seen it tried. It doesn't work, not in every case, anyway.
Prov 22:6 should answer you.

God in His infinite perfect wisdom created marital union between only a man & a woman (Gen 2:24). Anything outside of this, is perfect foolishness (in an attempt to be wise)
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