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Why do so many Americans not know that the founding father's were Christians??????
Because they WEREN'T!!!! Do some HISTORICAL reading, PLEASE!!!

They believed in God, but THAT WAS IT!
  • Not necessarily that Jesus was God's son.
  • Not in a particular religion: Puritan vs. Anglican vs. Presbyterian vs. Roman Catholicism vs. Episcopalian vs. Jewish vs. Baptist vs...vs...vs...
  • Not in religious texts that were 'written down' on God's behalf
Many were DEISTS...look it up.
  • George Washington (1st President)
  • Thomas Jefferson (3rd President)
  • James Madis0n (4th President)
  • Benjamin Franklin
  • Thomas Paine
  • Abraham Lincoln (16th President)
...if these weren't our Founding Fathers, I'd like to know who were!?!


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I do believe in God, and I am a Christian. I also have a mind of my own and I believe God gave me a conscience for a reason. Each sect/denomination of Christianity has a slightly (sometimes radically) different take on scripture. Scripture may be infallible, but man's interpretation of it is not. I believe God gave me a conscience to help me sort out the difference.

My conscience says if two consenting adults want to engage in some activity that doesn't harm anyone else, that's between them.

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These are the kinds of things that I do not understand that challenge me. Frankly, from my judgment it is just flat unfair.

The challenge comes in when I use my judgment and then consider what the scriptures say. SA your words above give me enough trouble but then I am more troubled because I know about the book of Job in the Old Testament. Here is this guy Job doing everything right and he gets hammered with God allowing the evil one to take from Job his health, wealth and children! God did restore him but what about the first set of dead children?



If God made homosexuals to desire sex with the same sex then what do you expect? God makes a dog and it is no surprise that it barks! I do not understand the homosexual thing!

I was helped by a man called Kirby on these type issues. His son had run into his burning house to save his 1 year old son. The firemen tried to get him to come out but he was frantically looking for his son. He died looking for his 1 year old son who was taken out by his wife earlier.

Kirby was asked about God right after his son’s death. Kirby said “God is sovereign” and said no more. Kirby was not trying to be spiritually correct in front of people he was dead pan serious. I watched Kirby for the next 15-20- years as he worked me from time to time and he never changed his mind; he maintained that God is sovereign.



Kirby did not understand and it all seemed so unfair but he said “God is Sovereign” That to me is faith under fire and also demonstrates that Kirby takes faith over his emotions and his own ability to understand.

Kirby is not an eloquent man and is slow of speech and is not deemed as one of the brighter men in sociality. However, he is a mountain of a man to me. I hope that I can past a test like that if it ever comes my way.



As to what the Kirby story and this thread have in common I would say this. I do not understand homosexuality and I am going to try and be like Kirby and just say that God is Sovereign. I have faith that God is just and have also concluded that our life is more about glorifying God than it is our pleasures. I am still working on living my life to match my conclusions.

One thing that I do understand about God. He wants me to love my neighbor as myself and that is what I am working on. That is also my approach to homosexuality

I love SAs posts because she always challenges me with substance! In addition she adds knowledge to my scripture understanding like her quote below


In Ezekiel 16:49-50, it says ....."Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit."
It was also.... 1) Pride 2) Gluttony 3) Laziness & 4) Not caring for the Poor .[/SIZE]
Hey Blunt, you are a Humble Christian who invites a spiritual challenge, LOVE YOUR TYPE....you listen, you don't immediately resort to scripture defense....you do your best to find understanding when things don't make a whole lot of sense... show mercy, A loving God would want this...

Your friend Kirby... it's hard for me to understand...although his spiritual beliefs brought him comfort, I can't see me reacting like that under those same circumstances at least not at 1st...I'd be very Angry that my son was lost...the WHY WHY WHY would be on my lips for some time.....the waste of that event, or blaming what led up to it, learning from it anyway...what his son did was out of pure love, why did he have to be taken, it is so very cruel... when others escape drunk driving & things where they brought the near death upon themselves.

For someone like me.....it is even more comforting to believe there is no God over believing He cares about us....then allowing stuff like THAT TO HAPPEN... it's too hard to swallow...

When I read Job the 1st time, probably in my teens, I remember understanding his wife...what was her words >> "Curse God and die" ....honestly I think this would be a normal 1st reaction to most people... Angry with God for unfair pain & catastrophes coming upon them..and not letting up....It takes a very grounded believer to have the Faith & resolve as your friend... to expect this from all of us.. it's not going to happen....we have to work through it ...and this is NOT easy at all.

I don't have the answers to these questions... but I am happy about one thing... that I am not a homosexual -because frankly I would want nothing at all to do with christians/ the Bible... feeling I couldn't enjoy my sexuality, that would really tick me off. If my moral base was to be with one person and not spread infections... live & let be...

I purposely made our oldest son sit & watch this movie...

Prayers for Bobby: Movies & TV True story... this Mother sure learned the hard way... which person do you think had more Compassion.. the Mother who brow beat her son with scripture & shamed him -told him God can help him change... or the one she became , after he killed himself to speak for these homosexuales.. who were -as I still see it... born this way... Gotta agree with Lady Ga ga on that one...

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Sigourney Weaver stars in this emotional true story about a deeply religious suburban housewife and mother who struggles to accept her son’s homosexuality. Mary Griffith (Weaver) is a devout Christian who has raised her children with a conservative religious perspective. When her son, Bobby (Ryan Kelley), reveals that he is gay to his older brother, the entire family dynamic is forever shifted. While Bobby’s father and siblings slowly come to terms with his homosexuality, Mary turns to her steadfast beliefs in an attempt to “cure” her son.

Alienated and quickly becoming more detached from the safety of his close-knit family, Bobby’s depression drives him to take drastic – and tragic – actions. PRAYERS FOR BOBBY is the multiple Emmy Award and Golden Globe Award nominated true story of a mother torn between her loyalties, challenged by her faith, and moved by a tragedy that would change her life, and the lives of others, forever. Based on the book Prayers for Bobby by Leroy Aarons.


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You mean like catholic priests struggle to be sexless?

I'm afraid they may just find a new target for said sexuality, and woe betide when they lose the struggle, which they will lose.

Even St. Augustine was still visited by 'Succubi' in his dreams.
People are GOING to express their sexuality... this is what we are made of... My mother likes to read non fiction books- she has read a couple on the horrendous coverups of corruption in the Catholic Church....Priests getting Nuns pregnant...babies buried bones underneath churchs back in those days... what goes on behind the stained Glass windows... and this is who come confess too!@#$ It's totally absurd...what goes on in darkness will be exposed to the light... I don't think our sexuality should have restrains on it -when we are healthy normal breathing souls who enjoy physical touch & emotional bonding.... .. Monks ..and all these...taking vows they can not keep, which is pure torture.. I was reading how many "hail marys" a Monk has to do for masturbation, etc... Oh my goodness..... I see no point in this ...LIKE AT ALL.... but that's just my personal opinion. I am pretty conservative in many ways .. but some things go beyond reason.....

The whole celibacy vow thing had much to do with transferring of land...

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Catholic Priests, Celibacy, and Marriage: Should Catholic Priests Marry or Remain Celibate?Another factor in the push for clerical celibacy was the problematic relationship the Catholic Church had with real estate and inherited land. Priests and bishops were not just religious leaders, they also had political power based on the land they controlled. When they died, the land might go to church or the man's heirs — and naturally the church wanted to keep the land in order to retain political power.

The best way to keep the land was to ensure that no rivals could claim it; keeping the clergy celibate and unmarried was the easiest way to accomplish this. Making celibacy a religious obligation was also the best way to ensure that the clergy obeyed. Catholic apologists deny that such worldly concerns were part of the decision to impose celibacy on priests, but it can't be a coincidence that the final push towards celibacy occurred when conflict over land were increasing.

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Because they WEREN'T!!!! Do some HISTORICAL reading, PLEASE!!!

They believed in God, but THAT WAS IT!
  • Not necessarily that Jesus was God's son.
  • Not in a particular religion: Puritan vs. Anglican vs. Presbyterian vs. Roman Catholicism vs. Episcopalian vs. Jewish vs. Baptist vs...vs...vs...
  • Not in religious texts that were 'written down' on God's behalf
Many were DEISTS...look it up.
  • George Washington (1st President)
  • Thomas Jefferson (3rd President)
  • James Madis0n (4th President)
  • Benjamin Franklin
  • Thomas Paine
  • Abraham Lincoln (16th President)
...if these weren't our Founding Fathers, I'd like to know who were!?!
I just did a lengthy post on this subject last night , with some facts/ quotes - Post #3 Christianity andd America

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Because they WEREN'T!!!! Do some HISTORICAL reading, PLEASE!!!

They believed in God, but THAT WAS IT!
  • Not necessarily that Jesus was God's son.
  • Not in a particular religion: Puritan vs. Anglican vs. Presbyterian vs. Roman Catholicism vs. Episcopalian vs. Jewish vs. Baptist vs...vs...vs...
  • Not in religious texts that were 'written down' on God's behalf
Many were DEISTS...look it up.
  • George Washington (1st President)
  • Thomas Jefferson (3rd President)
  • James Madis0n (4th President)
  • Benjamin Franklin
  • Thomas Paine
  • Abraham Lincoln (16th President)
...if these weren't our Founding Fathers, I'd like to know who were!?!

George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence.

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.
The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
--Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776
Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Han****
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 1790.
James Monroe
5th U.S. President

"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good."
--Monroe made this statement in his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November 16, 1818.

"The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)."
--Life of John Quincy Adams, p. 248.


My error is that because they speak of the Divine and the Almighty and support Christian teachings that I assumed they were Christians. One knows one should never assume.

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The subject presented in the memorial is one upon which I have thought much for weeks past, and I may even say for months. I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and that by religious men, who are equally certain that they represent the Divine will. I am sure that either the one or the other class is mistaken in the belief, and perhaps in some respects both. I hope it will not be irreverent for me to say that if it is probable that God would reveal his will to others, on a point so connected with my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me; for, unless I am more deceived in myself than I often am, it is my earnest desire to know the will of Providence in this matter. And if I can learn what it is I will do it! These are not, however, the days of miracles, and I suppose it will be granted that I am not to expect a direct revelation. I must study the plain physical facts of the case, ascertain what is possible and learn what appears to be wise and right. The subject is difficult, and good men do not agree.
Reply to Chicago Christians on September 13, 1862 (CWAL V:420)

I am glad of this interview, and glad to know that I have your sympathy and prayers. We are indeed going through a great trial -- a fiery trial. In the very responsible position in which I happen to be placed, being a humble instrument in the hands of our Heavenly Father, as I am, and as we all are, to work out his great purposes, I have desired that all my works and acts may be according to his will, and that it might be so, I have sought his aid -- but if after endeavoring to do my best in the light which he affords me, I find my efforts fail, I must believe that for some purpose unknown to me, He wills it otherwise. If I had had my way, this war would never have been commenced; If I had been allowed my way this war would have been ended before this, but we find it still continues; and we must believe that He permits it for some wise purpose of his own, mysterious and unknown to us; and though with our limited understandings we may not be able to comprehend it, yet we cannot but believe, that he who made the world still governs it.
Reply to Eliza Gurney on October 26, 1862 (CWAL V:478)

And while it has not pleased the Almighty to bless us with a return of peace, we can but press on, guided by the best light He gives, trusting that in His own good time, and wise way, all will yet be well.
Annual Message to Congress on December 1, 1862 (CWAL V:518)

Slowly getting wiser because we do not share the same beliefs please don't insult me by assuming I do not read. I am a very educated woman.
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Irrespective of our conscience, orientation, beliefs, etc, God is sovreign. He does whatever, whenever, however & wherever. And no one can question or judge Him. He is the 'I AM THAT I AM'
He has made known His ways and commands in His word. He knows we are humans, that we have weaknesses, make mistakes, strive for perfection. However, He will NOT lower His standards for us. That's why He saved us through grace and gave us His spirit, so that we might be able to do as He requires of us.
God is love. If we have God in us, we must live a life of unconditional love towards everyone, straight, gays, christians, islamists, atheists, etc. However, showing them the love of God does not imply that we should condone/encourage whatever things are wrong.
We should also not forget that after we have lived, we will all give account when we stand before the judgement throne.

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Uh, would that be the KJV? or the Roman Catholic Bible? or the Talmud? or the Qu'uron? or one of the HUNDREDS of translations of the Christian Bible into English alone (not to mention all the other world languages)?

The original question is 'What do you feel about homosexuality in a religious view' and my answer would have to be that I try very hard NOT to hold 'religious' views!

There could be a God, or gods, or a race of gods...I don't know. Unless s/he/they tap me on the shoulder and start speaking DIRECTLY TO ME, I'm going to continue to believe that everything written down on his/her/their behalf is errant human interpretation or what some errant human(s) believe(s).

I am going to continue to exercise my human intellect (which is what is supposed to put us above other 'animals') and decide for myself what makes sense logically and lovingly. If it turns out I'm wrong, God will, no doubt, have free reign to smite me as s/he/they see fit!

My belief is that I should use my own intelligence, inquisitiveness, humanness to try to understand, support, increase the good in myself and others. If that means I do not follow the dictates of others, then so be it.

Others are, OF COURSE, free as well to do as they see fit!

First of all, i am not trying to 'impose' God or any idea on you.

1 Corinthians 1:20, 25 New Living Translation (NLT)
20.'So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. 25.This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger
than the greatest of human strength.'


Whether or not you believe in God, He is who He is. He does not answer to you and He is a mysterious God. Though He has never changed, humans can never fully comprehend Him. If that happened, He won't be God anymore. He has ordained His laws & statutes and won't lower the standards for anyone, irrespective of our strenghts or weaknesses, race or orientation, whether we acknowledge Him or not.
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Irrespective of our conscience, orientation, beliefs, etc, God is sovreign. He does whatever, whenever, however & wherever. And no one can question or judge Him. He is the 'I AM THAT I AM'
He has made known His ways and commands in His word. He knows we are humans, that we have weaknesses, make mistakes, strive for perfection. However, He will NOT lower His standards for us. That's why He saved us through grace and gave us His spirit, so that we might be able to do as He requires of us.
God is love. If we have God in us, we must live a life of unconditional love towards everyone, straight, gays, christians, islamists, atheists, etc. However, showing them the love of God does not imply that we should condone/encourage whatever things are wrong.
We should also not forget that after we have lived, we will all give account when we stand before the judgement throne.

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I'm not going to pretend to know whether there is a ranking order to sin in God's eyes. If there is, however, I'd take a guess that being gay isn't at the top of the list. More lives are destroyed by greed, rage, murder, etc. and I think that as mortals with a finite term on earth, we have to prioritize what we choose to go after when we're screaming at people.

As a matter of potential impact on lives, a jaywalker has more chance of wrecking my day than what someone does behind closed doors. I still don't stop the car to yell at jaywalkers.

If it's a sin, God will sort it out in His own time with that person. My calling on earth isn't to be God's policeman, it's to show as much grace and mercy as I can.

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I do believe in God, and I am a Christian. I also have a mind of my own and I believe God gave me a conscience for a reason. Each sect/denomination of Christianity has a slightly (sometimes radically) different take on scripture. Scripture may be infallible, but man's interpretation of it is not. I believe God gave me a conscience to help me sort out the difference.

My conscience says if two consenting adults want to engage in some activity that doesn't harm anyone else, that's between them.
Yes God did give us a conscience. On that note the conscience is not the guide in our lives. God's instruction manual to his beloved creation is His love story to His mankind, the Holy Bible.

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Yes God did give us a conscience. On that note the conscience is not the guide in our lives. God's instruction manual to his beloved creation is His love story to His mankind, the Holy Bible.
I tend to agree. The problem is that depending on what church you go to, you get completely different interpretations of what the bible means.

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You know you are very right....didn't think of it like that...maybe that's why we should go to the Bible first and then search for a church.....We are Lutherans and have had to change congregations 3 times in 15 years.....Dh and I have finally resolved ourselves to the fact that we need to be in Scripture daily despite what our church might try to teach us.....I think that's what Christ want's anyway...

The funny thing is sometimes we get lazy and want to listen or read a Bible study rather than take the effort to dive in ourselves to Scripture.....
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Irrespective of our conscience, orientation, beliefs, etc, God is sovreign. He does whatever, whenever, however & wherever. And no one can question or judge Him. He is the 'I AM THAT I AM'
He has made known His ways and commands in His word. He knows we are humans, that we have weaknesses, make mistakes, strive for perfection. However, He will NOT lower His standards for us. That's why He saved us through grace and gave us His spirit, so that we might be able to do as He requires of us.
God is love. If we have God in us, we must live a life of unconditional love towards everyone, straight, gays, christians, islamists, atheists, etc. However, showing them the love of God does not imply that we should condone/encourage whatever things are wrong.
We should also not forget that after we have lived, we will all give account when we stand before the judgement throne.

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if somebody asks me if it is a sin to have homosexual sex, i would say yes because i let the bible define what sin is to me, and it clearly defines all extramarital sex as sin. since marriage in the bible is a union between man and woman, homosexual sex cannot qualify.

if somebody can convince me the bible says something different, im open to different interpretation.

that doesnt mean i judge them. the way i look at it....
i smoke, i drink, i sometimes lie, i have stolen before, i have had sex before marriage, i have forsaken the gathering together of the saints, i often forget to pray. i have called my brother a fool, i have put things ahead of God. so, im an idolater.

i still try, and i struggle with some things a lot less than i used to, but i have come to peace with the fact that i will never be perfect. but, at the same time, i am incredibly grateful that i am not expected to be perfect. i really love people, and the more i am willing to admit that i suck at being a christian, the more i feel like i have nothing to hide from others.

and that makes it so much easier for me to step out and try to help them. the fear of having my faults exposed is nulled, because i expose them myself.

i view homosexuality in the same way. its not my thing because its not my thing. i have my own **** to worry about.


my conversations with christians usually start out with...
"i suck at being a christian..."
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Re: What do you feel about homosexuality in a religious view?

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First of all, i am not trying to 'impose' God or any idea on you.

1 Corinthians 1:20, 25 New Living Translation (NLT)
20.'So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world’s brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. 25.This foolish plan of God is wiser than the wisest of human plans, and God’s weakness is stronger
than the greatest of human strength.'


Whether or not you believe in God, He is who He is. He does not answer to you and He is a mysterious God. Though He has never changed, humans can never fully comprehend Him. If that happened, He won't be God anymore. He has ordained His laws & statutes and won't lower the standards for anyone, irrespective of our strenghts or weaknesses, race or orientation, whether we acknowledge Him or not.
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Does the bible represent the word of God? Are we bound by its teachings?

If so, what does it mean when different rules are applied to different people in different circumstance? See for example Matthew 19:7-8 and Acts 15:1-21.

I am not arguing about what the bible says, I am differing from you in how we should handle it.

If someone use gay and wonders if they can be a gay Christian, I would say to them. Become a Christian, pray, read your bible, and see what happens. And heterosexuals struggle to live up to the biblical standard too.
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