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post #1 of 71 (permalink) Old 01-21-2014, 01:32 PM Thread Starter
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Religious Beliefs and Divorce

How have your religious beliefs effected your opinions on divorce?

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Re: Religious Beliefs and Divorce

A LOT.....divorce has really re-enforced my beliefs and brought my religion to the surface. That's the up side.
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Marriage is solely a civil process, and before that a social, community recognition. Marriage only became associated with religion in the twelfth century. If you buy into a particular religion, you may accept marriage as a religious rite, but even as such it was an invention of man. Divorce is therefore no more than dissolving a contract when it is no longer viable, IMO.

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The early church had no specific rite for marriage. This was left up to the secular authorities of the Roman Empire, since marriage is a legal concern for the legitimacy of heirs. When the Empire became Christian under Constantine, Christian emperors continued the imperial control of marriage, as the Code of Justinian makes clear.
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Only in the twelfth century was a claim made for some supernatural favor (grace) bestowed on marriage as a sacrament. By the next century marriage had been added to the biblically sacred number of seven sacraments. Since Thomas Aquinas argued that the spouses’ consent is the efficient cause of marriage and the seal of intercourse was the final cause, it is hard to see what a priest’s blessing could add to the reality of the bond. And bad effects followed. This sacralizing of the natural reality led to a demoting of Yahwist marriage, the only kind Jesus recognized, as inferior to “true marriage” in a church.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Divorce

I grew up Catholic and the teaching was no divorce. Though, many Catholics even when I was young were divorcing and having no trouble getting annulments.

The real question, though, mx, is what are your beliefs? And how are they changing? Are you struggling with this?

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I have no religious beliefs. I think that religion causes too many people to stay to together who'd be better off apart.
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Re: Religious Beliefs and Divorce

Biblically speaking, there are only three acceptable reasons for divorce:
  1. Adultery
  2. Abandonment
  3. Physical or Mental Abuse of a Spouse or a Child

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Biblically speaking, there are only three acceptable reasons for divorce:
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  2. Abandonment
  3. Physical or Mental Abuse of a Spouse or a Child
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I grew up Catholic and the teaching was no divorce. Though, many Catholics even when I was young were divorcing and having no trouble getting annulments.

The real question, though, mx, is what are your beliefs? And how are they changing? Are you struggling with this?

Right now I'm trying to figure out what I believe. How to Resolve Differences Some serious things are going down.
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Sexual Immorality or Infidelity- Matthew 5:32
Abandonment of Spouse or Children- 1 Corinthians 7:15
Physical/Emotional Abuse of Spouse or Child- 1 Corinthians 4:6


I might add that these are the generally accepted reasons for a divorce, at least in the United Methodist Church.

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Biblically speaking, there are only three acceptable reasons for divorce:
  1. Adultery
  2. Abandonment
  3. Physical or Mental Abuse of a Spouse or a Child
I so agree with this

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Sexual Immorality or Infidelity- Matthew 5:32
Abandonment of Spouse or Children- 1 Corinthians 7:15
Physical/Emotional Abuse of Spouse or Child- 1 Corinthians 4:6


I might add that these are the generally accepted reasons for a divorce, at least in the United Methodist Church.
Matthew 5:32: "but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

I'm unsure how you reconcile that verse with your other valid reasons for divorce.
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Matthew 5:32: "but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

I'm unsure how you reconcile that verse with your other valid reasons for divorce.
Hawk: The way I read into Matthew 5:32 is that it is indeed construed to be adultery if a divorced man knowingly marries another divorced woman who had been divorced by a prior husband for reasons of adultery that she had committed against their marriage.

Anything else would seemingly be legitimate!

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Is that sexist? Since it doesn't say anything about women marrying divorced men. Again, I'm sure we could just assume this applies to men too, but male/female relationships were very different then than they are here and now.
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Marriage is solely a civil process, and before that a social, community recognition. Marriage only became associated with religion in the twelfth century. If you buy into a particular religion, you may accept marriage as a religious rite, but even as such it was an invention of man. Divorce is therefore no more than dissolving a contract when it is no longer viable, IMO.



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Completely wrong. It was created by God in the Garden.
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Marriage is solely a civil process, and before that a social, community recognition. Marriage only became associated with religion in the twelfth century. If you buy into a particular religion, you may accept marriage as a religious rite, but even as such it was an invention of man. Divorce is therefore no more than dissolving a contract when it is no longer viable, IMO.



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Also: Marriage Equality and Religion: Frequently Asked Questions | CLGS
Marriage was created by God in the Garden of Eden before the fall of Man. It is a sacred covenant. Marriage is God's idea. A physical, emotional and spiritual union between a man and a woman. I will add I am a Christian that believes the Word of God is holy, without sin.
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