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I don't really care what anybody chooses to believe. I just thought it was rather funny to hear someone use such a flawed source to base an argument on. Especially when they are telling the other person to base an argument on something real. As for myself, I don't choose to believe anything. I choose to KNOW. I KNOW that god exists, I don't believe. And I certainly don't need some book, written by man, translated by man, edited by man, etc etc. to explain to me what I should believe and how I should believe it. One of God's greatest gifts was our ability to reason. Why some people choose to hide from reason and stand behind a book is beyond me.

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I don't really care what anybody chooses to believe. I just thought it was rather funny to hear someone use such a flawed source to base an argument on. Especially when they are telling the other person to base an argument on something real. As for myself, I don't choose to believe anything. I choose to KNOW. I KNOW that god exists, I don't believe. And I certainly don't need some book, written by man, translated by man, edited by man, etc etc. to explain to me what I should believe and how I should believe it. One of God's greatest gifts was our ability to reason. Why some people choose to hide from reason and stand behind a book is beyond me.
The Bible is flawed depending on who you ask. Sure, some folks may have some vested interest in just blind faith and never dare to ask the hard questions of canon, but there are also folks who are vested into discrediting the Bible's source accuracy...not really understanding that it arose out of oral tradition and must be looked at in terms of the text on hand...not just hypothetical reconstructions...but then again, I don't adhere entirely to Documentary Hypothesis.

On a literary basis alone, the Bible is a perfectly balanced and arranged, complete work...nothing is there that shouldn't be and all these other pseudepigraphic works are trash. Yet, I know many feel the same way about Paul's theological contributions to the new testament.

I myself, have gone through the woes of taking the red pill, where I had to question everything I learned...but once I stuck through it...I saw that it was just my limited understanding that was stretched. But truly, the Bible is a solid portal to the heart of God...but, it does require a measure of faith.

@MRSinYAHUSA...I am interested to know more about your approach to beliefs...as I know of non-Trinitarians such the Oneness movement from those in the United Pentecostal Church, but the recent Yahuah business, I guess I have never heard. I admit I went of an a tangent about hebraic roots.

As for Jesus' inclusion in the "trinity", that is based specifically in John 1: 1-18, seeming to suggest some divine nature of a pre-established eternal sense...the Word being with God and is God since the beginning.
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I don't really care what anybody chooses to believe. I just thought it was rather funny to hear someone use such a flawed source to base an argument on. Especially when they are telling the other person to base an argument on something real. As for myself, I don't choose to believe anything. I choose to KNOW. I KNOW that god exists, I don't believe. And I certainly don't need some book, written by man, translated by man, edited by man, etc etc. to explain to me what I should believe and how I should believe it. One of God's greatest gifts was our ability to reason. Why some people choose to hide from reason and stand behind a book is beyond me.
Oooh! Are you not so intellectual and clever! And better that us! Wow!
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Oooh! Are you not so intellectual and clever! And better that us! Wow!
I don't claim to be intellectual, clever or better than anyone. As I said I really don't care what you choose to believe. As for me I choose to know. To each their own.
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I'll not attempt to settle any ecclesiastical arguments here, but will only say that, as a proud member of the United Methodist Church and an ardent follower of its founder, John Wesley, I am, in effect, a Trinitarian.

Greatly adhering to John 3:16, (KJV) "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believe that in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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“DO NOT CLING TO ME, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN AND SAY TO THEM, I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.” JOHN 20:17

1st Timothy 2:5-6. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus."

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." (i corinthians8:4)

“for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)

Exodus 7:1 Moses is called elohim “See I have made you as God to Pharaoh.” Psalm 82:6-7 refers to the saints as elohim “I said you are gods, and all of you are children of the most high God.”

john 17:21 that ALL of them may be ONE, Father, JUST AS you are in me and I am in you. May they ALSO BE in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNITY.

“I am come in my Father’s name.” (John 5:43)

REVELATION 3: 12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. 13 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

these are just some versus i pulled up to show anyone who is interested. i believe u must just feel it in your heart not read it to truly believe. i was also a trinitarian without understanding until me n my husbands first meeting/date, he explained his journey and what he believed- that the messiah is not the most high- and i jumped out of my seat full of joy and said yes! that is what i believe too!!

my great grandfather and grandfather on my dads side owned nondenominational trinitarian churches. my moms side has nuns and other titles i dont remember in the catholic church, but i never gave my heart to christ or believed.

when i was 19, one night after reading the bible for kicks, i prayed "god if you are real and this is your word given to me to follow, please let me know and i will follow"

that night i awoke several times and stared at a big crisp blue light in my room. i have terrible eyesight n everything is very blurry to me, but this light was crisp like lightening. i just stared at it, asking no questions. i know i was truly awake as i watched and fell back asleep multiple times. in the morning i shot out of bed and thought oh my goodness what was i staring at thru the night??!! i took this as the answer to my prayer and so began my journey.

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“DO NOT CLING TO ME, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN AND SAY TO THEM, I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.” JOHN 20:17

1st Timothy 2:5-6. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus."

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." (i corinthians8:4)

“for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)

Exodus 7:1 Moses is called elohim “See I have made you as God to Pharaoh.” Psalm 82:6-7 refers to the saints as elohim “I said you are gods, and all of you are children of the most high God.”

john 17:21 that ALL of them may be ONE, Father, JUST AS you are in me and I am in you. May they ALSO BE in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNITY.

“I am come in my Father’s name.” (John 5:43)

REVELATION 3: 12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. 13 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

these are just some versus i pulled up to show anyone who is interested. i believe u must just feel it in your heart not read it to truly believe. i was also a trinitarian without understanding until me n my husbands first meeting/date, he explained his journey and what he believed- that the messiah is not the most high- and i jumped out of my seat full of joy and said yes! that is what i believe too!!

my great grandfather and grandfather on my dads side owned nondenominational trinitarian churches. my moms side has nuns and other titles i dont remember in the catholic church, but i never gave my heart to christ or believed.

when i was 19, one night after reading the bible for kicks, i prayed "god if you are real and this is your word given to me to follow, please let me know and i will follow"

that night i awoke several times and stared at a big crisp blue light in my room. i have terrible eyesight n everything is very blurry to me, but this light was crisp like lightening. i just stared at it, asking no questions. i know i was truly awake as i watched and fell back asleep multiple times. in the morning i shot out of bed and thought oh my goodness what was i staring at thru the night??!! i took this as the answer to my prayer and so began my journey.

I do not question that you believe in God and that Jesus walked the earth – but, that is not enough!! Please keep in mind that even Jesus was tempted by Satan and we are to expect no less from the Prince of Death – I truly believe that Satan promotes here on earth the concept that Jesus is not God (of course Satan is a liar!!)

It is very clear in the Bible - which by the way is the result of many books and brought together by the Church at the direction and power of the Holy Spirit. The concept of the Trinity was written about around 150 AD but was certainly understood by the very disciples who walked with Jesus here on this earth (Read the Gospel of John – first thing he says is that the Word was God!!! Hopefully, you have the intellect to understand that Jesus is the Word!!


To claim that Jesus is less than God is the same as rejecting Jesus and not accepting him into your heart.

The concept of the Trinity is obvious and is certainly clear - just a few facts for you:

Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1


“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”


John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"


This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.

John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’”


It couldn’t be clearer than it is here: Jesus’ highly educated listeners understood His claim of deity. They only had two possible responses: to humble themselves and bow before Him as the Magi and the disciples had done earlier, or reject His claim and judge Him as a blasphemer. Unfortunately they chose the latter option. But notice that Jesus doesn’t argue with their accusation, because it was accurate. He really was claiming to be God

John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”


This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!

Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”


In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh

The baby Jesus worshiped by the Magi
Matthew 2:11: “On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.”


Along with being led to the site where Jesus was born, these Magi were apparently informed by God about Jesus’ divine identity, and so they responded appropriately by worshiping Him.

• Daniel 7:13-14: “There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven . . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”


“Son of Man” was the primary title Jesus used for Himself -- and this passage shows that this was a clear and strong claim of deity. And in Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, He also included the unmistakable phrase, “coming on the clouds of heaven” and applied it to Himself (Mark 14:62). His listeners got the point, refused to believe it, and added it to their reasons to try to kill Him.

Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”


This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet -- especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ
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I'm somewhere between the Atheist and the Christian... I would call myself a DEIST...



The Christian would call me a heretic because I don't believe in the virgin birth / the trinity or the original sin doctrine.. I sat under christian teachings most of my life..I enjoyed youth group in my teen years.... yet I always questioned... Years ago I took to studying where all of these Doctrines originated from ...the men who handled them.....and realized I had more in common with the Heretics of old -in my thinking/ reasoning ...(One could be burned at the stake back then for questioning)..I applaud religious freedom and the Separation of Church & State..

..and the Atheist might say I am too spiritually minded as I still believe (or am inclined to) that something created all of THIS...where does love spring from? Justice, our conscience...that we are wonderfully made...for a plan and a purpose...so I am screwed, I don't fit in anywhere !!

But neither do I hold one's religious beliefs against them.. our oldest son is a Worship Leader and much enjoys his Church, many of our friends are Christians...they accept me for my wayward views..

One of my favorite debaters was Christopher Hitches (atheist) and my favorite Christian artist was Keith Green... I find his music deeply moving & inspiring... even if I am not a christian anymore...

In a nut shell...this is how I feel... "To me, it matters not what anyone believes, because if their belief helps / uplifts them to be that better person/ that good example to mankind ....more helpful to society as a whole in this crazy selfish world, then I say .... "Live and let be", cause I think we all have MORE in common than NOT in common if we could just look beyond our "Creeds"

One of my favorite websites is Religious Tolerance.org - they are a multi-faith group consisting of one Atheist, Agnostic, Christian, Wiccan and Zen Buddhist. Thus, the OCRT staff lack agreement on almost all theological matters, such as belief in a supreme being, the nature of God, interpretation of the Bible and other holy texts, whether life after death exists, what form the afterlife may take, etc.....can read their Statement of beliefs here

One thing all religions agree on is "The Golden Rule"..

This is a fine write up to WHY the Ethic of Reciprocity is particularly important in our world today...

Versions of the Golden Rule in 21 world religions

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SimplyAmorous, I agree whole heartedly with your post. I too am a Deist, I just didn't feel like taking the time to post the stuff you did.

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I'm somewhere between the Atheist and the Christian... I would call myself a DEIST...


The Christian would call me a heretic because I don't believe in the virgin birth / the trinity or the original sin doctrine.. I sat under christian teachings most of my life..I enjoyed youth group in my teen years.... yet I always questioned... Years ago I took to studying where all of these Doctrines originated from ...the men who handled them.....and realized I had more in common with the Heretics of old -in my thinking/ reasoning ...(One could be burned at the stake back then for questioning)..I applaud religious freedom and the Separation of Church & State..

..and the Atheist might say I am too spiritually minded as I still believe (or am inclined to) that something created all of THIS...where does love spring from? Justice, our conscience...that we are wonderfully made...for a plan and a purpose...so I am screwed, I don't fit in anywhere !!

But neither do I hold one's religious beliefs against them.. our oldest son is a Worship Leader and much enjoys his Church, many of our friends are Christians...they accept me for my wayward views..



The formation of my beliefs is result of the opposite of what yours was. I was raised Catholic but we hardly went to Church growing up – Christmas, Easter and maybe a few other times. I was required to do the first communion thing and then the confirmation thing – I did this to please my parents and I did not buy into the religion thing – how do you know which religion is right?? Very confused when younger – actually had many friends that were Jewish and actually I had no idea what the difference was.

In the beginning of college, my belief system was Deist (even though I had never heard the term) Very similar to your feeling now that humans must have been created and that we did not just happen to be here. I actually believed in reincarnation and just hoped when I died and came back to earth I would come back as a human and not some animal!! So I sure better be a good son as I wanted whoever created me to give me some type of favoritism when the time came to come back to earth once I had died. I always thought someone would think I was crazy – so I never told anyone of my beliefs. As I consider what a Deist is now – I guess I was not alone and really was not that crazy – because a Deist by definition can just make up whatever beliefs they want within their own reason – because it all about HUMAN REASON RIGHT??

Not that I did not try to pray to God – I did – but the silence was just unbearable to me – I just could not hear anything coming back to me and I just could not stand that – so I stopped doing that.

I did not discover Jesus through a church – I actually accepted Jesus who was part of the Trinity through two of my Fraternity Brothers that were older than me and I barely knew them – for whatever reason (I have never asked them) they invited me to a college basketball game – but, we met to eat first and that’s where they brought out the Bible and showed me the Gospel and some versus from the Old Testament that just blew me away. I was like wow – never knew that. But, it really was not that that got me – I felt the Holy Spirit for the first time – and when I prayed to accept Jesus into my heart – THE SILENCE WAS GONE – I HEARD JESUS!!

My life did change after that even though I did continue some of my ways – I liked girls and I liked to party and I would party hard – drinking was a problem for me. However, this did not stop me from studying the Bible and going to church – which was new for me. I actually almost died from alcohol poisoning just after accepting Jesus into my life – had to go to the Hospital as my roommates could not wake me up at about 3 am in the morning . I got home around noon time the that day and actually had my first date with this girl that I met at church at 5 pm the very day I almost died – this was a Sunday and I actually was supposed to see her at Church that morning but for obvious reasons did not make it. This girls is the one I ended up marrying and have been with her since December of 1983. I have never been drunk again since that day and this girl that I ended up marrying - to me, was a gift from God. At that time she did not drink at all – out of respect for her parents (Southern Baptist) – I also stopped drinking as well since she did not drink. I went from an average student who was going downhill fast to an above average student and the rest is history.

This was all before the advent of the Internet – all I had to go by was what I read in the Bible and what I was taught at Church. I too began to question allot of what was preached about sex, drinking, tithing, and many more matters in the Church – but, I was good and tried to follow the teachings. However, once I able to access more information – via the internet – I came to realize that there are many lies and abuses in the Church – I tried to find a Church that in my opinion did not have these lies – and have never been able to find one. However, I have never turned my back on Jesus – and the reason is because the Gospel message is simple – accept Jesus as your Lord (GOD) and Savior and all sins are washed away – period. I struggle with determining what is sin – is looking at porn sin? is not tithing sin? is looking at another women – other than my wife sin? And so many more things. I realize that if I listened to most of these preachers – I am just a sinner and cannot ever measure up. If it were not for the simple Gospel – I would have turned from the church along time ago – but, that is what Satan wants – is it not? Satan is actually who says one is not good enough - no one can measure up to the laws that God has given – right? But, the Gospel says that if you accept Christ – you are Justified in Gods eyes – or another words – it is just as if you never sinned!!

So I still go to church – I listen to the sermons and let the Holy Spirit talk to me – not a preacher. The silence is Gone when I pray and I am very blessed to live on this earth that God created for me and you!! I would not change one thing about my life from the very beginning as GOD has blessed me beyond what I could ever expect and I look forward to the day that I will meet Jesus in Heaven.

SimplyAmerous – I pray that you will hear Jesus someday as I do NOT think that He has given up on you! You do not seem like someone who likes silence. Is that not why you longed for such a large family?? I know you were an only child – parents divorced – Dad did not spend quality time with you like your husband does with your kids – did you not hate the silence? Is that why you would go and spend time at your friend’s house all the time – you liked the noise of a family? It just behooves me that you would choose silence with regards to your spiritual life – is it not deafening?
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Why are you asking? Are you looking for support from others who believe the way you do for some reason? Evil is a pretty strong word. The early church developed the Trinity out of a strong sense of trying to determine who God is. It has lasted in many churches for centuries. You can certainly go your own way but I think that saying that a concept that is so meaningful to many people is evil is devisive and hurtful. Is that your intent?
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SimplyAmerous – I pray that you will hear Jesus someday as I do NOT think that He has given up on you! You do not seem like someone who likes silence. Is that not why you longed for such a large family?? I know you were an only child – parents divorced – Dad did not spend quality time with you like your husband does with your kids – did you not hate the silence? Is that why you would go and spend time at your friend’s house all the time – you liked the noise of a family? It just behooves me that you would choose silence with regards to your spiritual life – is it not deafening?
Oh My Aspydad...what a sincere ending you have here in this post....you are right, I am not one who enjoys the "silence" -which could represent many things.....I hope God hasn't given up on me... I am not one to boast I have all the answers - I want to remain open, reachable to TRUTH.... but I must remain a Realist.. it's what has kept my feet on the ground...I feel this so often gets in the way of Faith... too many voices claiming they have the "corner of truth"...

Where I came from, I have no desire to go back..it's an opposite experience of yours ... I feel freer / less bound mentality, less judgmental of myself & others NOT having all the answers over when I was taught I DID..but they warred against my mind... .

My Pastor & me used to talk on the phone when I 1st started going to church after we had our 1st son..I was eager to learn...yet I was such a questioner... he told me one day I was "too cerebral".... I can look back at this & laugh... ya know but at the time.. it's like I was sinning to question....I have since come to accept myself AS I AM... that GOD himself made me this way.. rest in it...to not be too hard on myself, as it has a way of stealing my JOY...

You sound like a wonderful person..I have met others like yourself ... who were in a really bad place at one time... then found Jesus (& through that experience found their wives too, changing the course of their lives).. beautiful stories ..

Oldest son has a friend similar..... he was in jail/ drugs womanizer...found God, became a dedicated well loved Youth Leader...such people make the finest mentors....he's married now, kid on the way... a real turn around..

I was one of those good girls who tried to follow the straight & narrow, after all I said the sinner's prayer...I never drank, didn't smoke, stood up for the Underdog.....I wanted to do "right"...but yet.. so many things they teach ,seemed the letter of the LAW.. some erotic arousal....watching an R -rated movie, touching my BF.. I couldn't help but think what God required...he was a pure KILL JOY... I struggled with GUILT / shame ...

I once burned a Guns & Roses CD thinking I was doing this for GOD...only to end up cranking "Welcome to the Jungle" up on the radio in the car anyway....what was the point !! it was hopeless. I was suppressing living & enjoying my life -I wasn't hurting anyone !... I wasted so much energy worrying I was a bad person cause I couldn't live up to HIS decrees.. but neither did I WANT TO!...

I used to get on my H for not reading the bible more...I scolded him for sneaking some porn, I really think it was less about me being upset but more about his dishonoring God -I understood "boys will be boys".. heck I loved my steamy romance novels, who was I to judge him !@#

Can I say... he's happy I lost my religion.... it's had it's benefits ... I have less noise in my head...to spend on enjoying my life/ our lives ... its not that I have lost my conscience , Proverbs and Eccl are my favorite books in the Bible, so much wisdom there.... but I do "cherry pick" admittedly.. I'm not a Moral Relativist...I care too much about ethics to go there.

I have never HAD a "spiritual" experience where I felt something LIFT...as you have...it's interesting to hear others experiences though... it fascinates me.. I also had Mormons come to our door & share theirs..

Trinity or none, Virgin birth or just a man...Parables are GOOD!....at the end of the day....this holds my understanding ....

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Re: any non trinitarian christians?

I love that quote, SA!

One of the deepest feminine pleasures is when a man stands full, present, and unreactive in the midst of his woman's emotional storms. When he stays present with her, and loves her through the layers of wildness and closure, then she feels his trustability, and she can relax. -- David Deida, The Way of the Superior Man
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Re: any non trinitarian christians?

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“DO NOT CLING TO ME, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN AND SAY TO THEM, I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.” JOHN 20:17

1st Timothy 2:5-6. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus."

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." (i corinthians8:4)

“for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)

Exodus 7:1 Moses is called elohim “See I have made you as God to Pharaoh.” Psalm 82:6-7 refers to the saints as elohim “I said you are gods, and all of you are children of the most high God.”

john 17:21 that ALL of them may be ONE, Father, JUST AS you are in me and I am in you. May they ALSO BE in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNITY.

“I am come in my Father’s name.” (John 5:43)

REVELATION 3: 12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. 13 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

these are just some versus i pulled up to show anyone who is interested. i believe u must just feel it in your heart not read it to truly believe. i was also a trinitarian without understanding until me n my husbands first meeting/date, he explained his journey and what he believed- that the messiah is not the most high- and i jumped out of my seat full of joy and said yes! that is what i believe too!!

my great grandfather and grandfather on my dads side owned nondenominational trinitarian churches. my moms side has nuns and other titles i dont remember in the catholic church, but i never gave my heart to christ or believed.

when i was 19, one night after reading the bible for kicks, i prayed "god if you are real and this is your word given to me to follow, please let me know and i will follow"

that night i awoke several times and stared at a big crisp blue light in my room. i have terrible eyesight n everything is very blurry to me, but this light was crisp like lightening. i just stared at it, asking no questions. i know i was truly awake as i watched and fell back asleep multiple times. in the morning i shot out of bed and thought oh my goodness what was i staring at thru the night??!! i took this as the answer to my prayer and so began my journey.
I'm happy for you. I love the Trinity but if God speaks to you in this way that is wonderful.
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