Originally Posted by happilyMRSinYAHUSHA View Post
“DO NOT CLING TO ME, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN AND SAY TO THEM, I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.” JOHN 20:17
1st Timothy 2:5-6. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus."
"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." (i corinthians8:4)
“for my Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28)
Exodus 7:1 Moses is called elohim “See I have made you as God to Pharaoh.” Psalm 82:6-7 refers to the saints as elohim “I said you are gods, and all of you are children of the most high God.”
john 17:21 that ALL of them may be ONE, Father, JUST AS you are in me and I am in you. May they ALSO BE in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may BE ONE AS WE ARE ONE— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete UNITY.
“I am come in my Father’s name.” (John 5:43)
REVELATION 3: 12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. 13 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
these are just some versus i pulled up to show anyone who is interested. i believe u must just feel it in your heart not read it to truly believe. i was also a trinitarian without understanding until me n my husbands first meeting/date, he explained his journey and what he believed- that the messiah is not the most high- and i jumped out of my seat full of joy and said yes! that is what i believe too!!
my great grandfather and grandfather on my dads side owned nondenominational trinitarian churches. my moms side has nuns and other titles i dont remember in the catholic church, but i never gave my heart to christ or believed.
when i was 19, one night after reading the bible for kicks, i prayed "god if you are real and this is your word given to me to follow, please let me know and i will follow"
that night i awoke several times and stared at a big crisp blue light in my room. i have terrible eyesight n everything is very blurry to me, but this light was crisp like lightening. i just stared at it, asking no questions. i know i was truly awake as i watched and fell back asleep multiple times. in the morning i shot out of bed and thought oh my goodness what was i staring at thru the night??!! i took this as the answer to my prayer and so began my journey.
I do not question that you believe in God and that Jesus walked the earth – but, that is not enough!! Please keep in mind that even Jesus was tempted by Satan and we are to expect no less from the Prince of Death – I truly believe that Satan promotes here on earth the concept that Jesus is not God (of course Satan is a liar!!)
It is very clear in the Bible - which by the way is the result of many books and brought together by the Church at the direction and power of the Holy Spirit. The concept of the Trinity was written about around 150 AD but was certainly understood by the very disciples who walked with Jesus here on this earth (Read the Gospel of John – first thing he says is that the Word was God!!! Hopefully, you have the intellect to understand that Jesus is the Word!!
To claim that Jesus is less than God is the same as rejecting Jesus and not accepting him into your heart.
The concept of the Trinity is obvious and is certainly clear - just a few facts for you:
Divine Messiah predicted in the Old Testament
Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”1
“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.” See also Matthew 1:23; Jesus was “God with us.”
John 20:27-29: “Then He said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"
This disciple realized, because of Jesus’ resurrection, who Jesus really was -- and humbly worshiped Him and declared His true identity: “My Lord and my God!” Jesus not only accepts this declaration, but blesses all of the disciples -- and all of us today -- who come to the same realization and place of humble worship.
John 10:30-33: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.’”
It couldn’t be clearer than it is here: Jesus’ highly educated listeners understood His claim of deity. They only had two possible responses: to humble themselves and bow before Him as the Magi and the disciples had done earlier, or reject His claim and judge Him as a blasphemer. Unfortunately they chose the latter option. But notice that Jesus doesn’t argue with their accusation, because it was accurate. He really was claiming to be God
John 8:58-59: "‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”
This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He pre-existed His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners again got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him!
Matthew 14:32-33: “And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God.’”
In a Jewish culture, only the one true God can be worshiped; their actions show that they acknowledged Jesus as being divine. And Jesus didn’t correct them or say, “Don’t you realize that I’m just a mortal prophet? Stop worshiping me!” Rather, He accepted their worship, knowing He really was God in human flesh
The baby Jesus worshiped by the Magi
Matthew 2:11: “On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him.”
Along with being led to the site where Jesus was born, these Magi were apparently informed by God about Jesus’ divine identity, and so they responded appropriately by worshiping Him.
• Daniel 7:13-14: “There before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven . . . He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”
“Son of Man” was the primary title Jesus used for Himself -- and this passage shows that this was a clear and strong claim of deity. And in Mark, the earliest of the four Gospels, He also included the unmistakable phrase, “coming on the clouds of heaven” and applied it to Himself (Mark 14:62). His listeners got the point, refused to believe it, and added it to their reasons to try to kill Him.
Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
This was a radical statement coming from a monotheistic Jewish prophet -- especially calling a human being “Mighty God”; but one that God fulfilled centuries later in Christ