How many knows the where, the when , what went into making "the Creed"... how opposing Views
were very evident from various followers of Jesus , so evident, 300 yrs after Jesus death about his Being born of a Virgin, After Constantine .... 1. The council of Nicea in 325
said that "Jesus Christ is God"... 2
. The council of Constantinople 381
said that "the Holy Spirit is God"... 3
. The council of Chalcedon 451
said that "Jesus Christ is both man and God"...
This makes sense to me >> HISTORICAL BACKGROUND OF THE TRINITY
- from a logical point of view.. but again... this is one of the reasons I can never call myself a christian again...I do have issues with the Trinity !
I have this book on my shelf, only read a few chapters though.. When Jesus Became God: The Struggle to Define Christianity during the Last Days of Rome
The life of Jesus, and the subsequent persecution of Christians during the Roman Empire, have come to define what many of us know about early Christianity. The fervent debate, civil strife, and bloody riots within the Christian community as it was forming, however, is a story that is rarely told.
Richard E. Rubenstein takes readers to the streets of the Roman Empire during the fourth century, where a divisive argument over the divinity of Jesus Christ was underway. Ruled by a Christian emperor, followers of Jesus no longer feared for the survival of their monotheistic faith, but they found themselves in different camps—led by two charismatic men—on the topic of Christian theology.
Arius, an Alexandrian priest and poet, preached that Jesus, though holy, is less than God, while Athanasius, a brilliant and violent bishop, saw any diminution of Jesus' godhead as the work of the devil. Between them stood Alexander, the powerful Bishop of Alexandria, in search of a solution that would keep the empire united and the Christian faith alive.
At the end of the day, I see Religion a lot like Politics (especially back in the day before the printing press).... whomever wins the debate, wins the power.. and gets to teach the masses..add a charismatic Leader / Teacher...some fanatics.. burning at the stake, fear of Hell... anything can take off ....just look at the endless denominations, cults testify to this...
In a world of Democracy & Freedom (I thank God I live in the United States..and for our Founding Fathers)... I will continue to look at others & ask myself.. do they possess the Fruits of the spirit , do they live "the Golden Rule
"... or even the "Platinum Rule
" ~ "Do unto others as they would like you to do unto them". Heck multitudes fall short here too!
But really... these things, if you can find them in a person...it just spells a good person...someone stable , grounded...honorable..
I mean, we all miss it sometimes, but do we want to make it right..do we choose the right thing if we've hurt another, leaving our gift at the alter -to go to our brother or sister ?? Sometimes we'll be rejected (and it hurts) but that's what I look for in people.. and what moves me
when I see it in others..is Justice at the heart of your cause..for a better world for us all to live in ...or something else?
There is a place for humility we don't often see in today's world.. because of this, Jesus's teachings - Yes, I greatly appreciate.. these sort of good people do stand out, of course they don't make news headlines, they only touch hearts on a smaller scale ....
Seems only the worst of the worst make Headlines.... that's our world.. that's what we celebrate.. the Kardashians, Riches that is never enough, all the drama...lovely examples for our young people (I have never watched this show mind you)...but God help us all.
Then on top of all of this.. all the various ways to INTERPRET the bible also...
• Literal: The Fundamentalist view
• Historical Docoment
• Midrash: Jewish Rabbinical approach to interpretation sought to understand the literal, and then expand the teachings to contemporary issues. "light to heavy"
• Pesher: Exegetical method that suggests the prophetic writings contain hidden eschatological significance, or divine mystery. Jesus used this method on several occasions. (Lk 4:16)
• Allegorical: Assumes the text has a meaning other than what the literal wording says---- a parable is a short allegory with a Moral meaning. Allogories are often used in Literature.
• Typological: seeks to discover a correspondence between people and events of the past and of the present or future. Matt. 12:40 - Jesus parallels the experience of Jonah with his own death. Moses was a type of Christ, who brought the people out of bondage, and was rejected by his own. Isaac when he was offered up by Abraham.
• Christological: Firstly, Jesus, and then the writers of the New testament had a decidedly Christocentric approach to Bible interpretation. Old testament passages were viewed in light of the new knowledge they now had about the person and work of the Messiah.
• Functional: Fitting scripture into current day context, disregarding the historical context.
So yeah... do I have all this figured out.. absolutely NOT.. but I'm Ok with that !