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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old 12-20-2014, 04:44 PM Thread Starter
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any non trinitarian christians?

My husband and I believe that the messiah was a true man annointed with the holy spirit. We believe we are one with him in the same way that he is one with the father. We see the doctrines of the trinity or of "jesus" being the most high as utterly evil. We believe in the set apart creator yahuah, that he is an immortal invisible spirit. Does anyone else believe this?

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My husband and I believe that the messiah was a true man annointed with the holy spirit. We believe we are one with him in the same way that he is one with the father. We see the doctrines of the trinity or of "jesus" being the most high as utterly evil. We believe in the set apart creator yahuah, that he is an immortal invisible spirit. Does anyone else believe this?
First, the God of Abraham - our creator - never proclaimed his name. When directly asked by Moses, he responded that "I am.”

Second, messiah means savior. I am not sure what savior you are talking about? I will have to assume you are talking about Jesus - who is the Christ or Savior that was foretold in the Old Testament by the Profits.

Third, It is very clear in the New Testament that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are one in the same. Not just because Jesus said so – but because God the Creator of all life willed this to be so. I do believe this but do not understand how this can be so. The reason I believe is that I believe that the Holy Spirit is here on earth today and is all powerful. It was the Holy Spirit, by the way, that brought Jesus out of the grave and back to life after being killed on the cross. Jesus left this earth and is now seated at the right hand of God in Heaven. The Holy Spirit is who inspired the disciples and Paul to write the New Testament. I believe this New Testament is without error which is why I believe the Trinity is true.

There are certainly many false teachers who proclaim who Jesus was / is. The Bible / New Testament is very clear how to spot a false profit. And the way it is evident is that a false profit will lie about who Jesus is – they will make this declaration with no proof and with no authority. For I do declare to you that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, he lived a perfect / sinless life on this planet for approximately 32 years until he suffered (for all sins of those who believe in Him), died and was buried – and on the third day (as foretold in the Old Testament) he was raised again in life – he appeared to many here on earth prior to being taken up into heaven where He is now seated at the right hand of the Father – and it is Jesus who will judge all.

You make many declarations without any proof probably because you have been listening to a false profit. You may want to actually read and study the Bible prior to making the declaration that anyone who believes that the concept of the Trinity is Evil.
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First, the God of Abraham - our creator - never proclaimed his name. When directly asked by Moses, he responded that "I am.”

Second, messiah means savior. I am not sure what savior you are talking about? I will have to assume you are talking about Jesus - who is the Christ or Savior that was foretold in the Old Testament by the Profits.

Third, It is very clear in the New Testament that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are one in the same. Not just because Jesus said so – but because God the Creator of all life willed this to be so. I do believe this but do not understand how this can be so. The reason I believe is that I believe that the Holy Spirit is here on earth today and is all powerful. It was the Holy Spirit, by the way, that brought Jesus out of the grave and back to life after being killed on the cross. Jesus left this earth and is now seated at the right hand of God in Heaven. The Holy Spirit is who inspired the disciples and Paul to write the New Testament. I believe this New Testament is without error which is why I believe the Trinity is true.

There are certainly many false teachers who proclaim who Jesus was / is. The Bible / New Testament is very clear how to spot a false profit. And the way it is evident is that a false profit will lie about who Jesus is – they will make this declaration with no proof and with no authority. For I do declare to you that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, he lived a perfect / sinless life on this planet for approximately 32 years until he suffered (for all sins of those who believe in Him), died and was buried – and on the third day (as foretold in the Old Testament) he was raised again in life – he appeared to many here on earth prior to being taken up into heaven where He is now seated at the right hand of the Father – and it is Jesus who will judge all.

You make many declarations without any proof probably because you have been listening to a false profit. You may want to actually read and study the Bible prior to making the declaration that anyone who believes that the concept of the Trinity is Evil.
And you may want to study the true story of the Bible before using that book as "proof" upon which to base an argument. The Bible is full of inconsistencies, inaccuracies and contradictions. It was written by men, edited by men, translated by men and is based on hearsay (especially the New Testament that you rely so heavily on).
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This is a thread that is bound to go down in flames.
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And you may want to study the true story of the Bible before using that book as "proof" upon which to base an argument. The Bible is full of inconsistencies, inaccuracies and contradictions. It was written by men, edited by men, translated by men and is based on hearsay (especially the New Testament that you rely so heavily on).
So what you’re saying is that there are many contradictions in the Bible and that you have determined this first hand? Or, maybe you have read this, which means you make your statement above on Hearsay?

I will tell you, my statement is not on hearsay but from experience as I have studied the Bible. I have read through some of the claimed contradictions from Atheist’s - now mind you - Atheists are ones who do not even believe that a God exists to start with - so for me to even listen to a person who is completely blind and believes that man evolved from nothing is very difficult as for anyone to make that claim means that they already believes in lies.

But, to stay with the theme of this thread, I will address one supposed contraction that certainly is if one does not believe the concept of the Trinity. There are statements in the Bible that say that God cannot be seen and then in another place it says that God can be seen. If one is an Atheist I would doubt that this person could believe in the Trinity so I guess this would be a contradiction - however - if one believes in the Trinity then it is very clear how these seemingly contradictory statements are true - as the person of Jesus (God) was certainly seen and God the Father has not been seen - see what I mean?

It seems funny to me that you make this claim of contractions like they are fact - and even like it is a discovery that is recent – but, these claims are centuries old and all of these so called contractions have been disproven just they way the one I gave as an example was disproved.
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And you may want to study the true story of the Bible before using that book as "proof" upon which to base an argument. The Bible is full of inconsistencies, inaccuracies and contradictions. It was written by men, edited by men, translated by men and is based on hearsay (especially the New Testament that you rely so heavily on).
As I think more about the contradiction example that I gave above about God being seen or not seen, I actually had another thought.

How crazy is the thought of an Atheist analyzing the Bible in it’s entirety and determining that there are contradictions? Consider the following:

First, the Bible was created by man through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and it is also by the Holy Spirit that resides in the believer that the massage of scripture is heard and understood. Get it – as an Atheist you are without the Holy Spirit – so you a deaf to the much of the message to start with!!

Second, I will give an example of how ridiculous the concept of an Atheist examination of the Gospel is: The books Mathew, Mark, Luke where all written for the believer (again - one who has the Holy Spirit within their being) and the book of John was written for the unbeliever and believer- 95% of the information in John is only in this book - where 95% of the information in the other three Gospels are repeated in each book or Gospel. Therefore, for an Atheist to even examine a book not written to them, is actually again – ridiculous.

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Right, because none of us atheists have ever read the Bible or been Christians before. They're words on a page. I can read them just as well as you can. And if having the holy spirit is the key to understanding, it's not doing a very good job given the number of denominations out there who disagree on just about everything.
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Right, because none of us atheists have ever read the Bible or been Christians before. They're words on a page. I can read them just as well as you can. And if having the holy spirit is the key to understanding, it's not doing a very good job given the number of denominations out there who disagree on just about everything.

So which is it Hawkeye: You used to be a Christian - which by definition you opened your Heart to God and the Holy Spirit came in - or - your lived a lie - meaning you outwardly practiced religion in the name of Jesus - but, inwardly you knew it was a Lie???

And yes, I stand by my statement that unless you are a believer in Jesus Christ the only Son of the Living God - you cannot comprehend the entire Word of God.

Because you see - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God - and the Word was God. Check out the Gospel of John and read. Then go to Genesis - it starts the same way as John - In the Beginning..... Notice how God created man in OUR image - not His image - See Genesis 28.

Go back to the book of John Chapter 1 - and the Word became Flesh - check it out folks. Read the book of John.

Inspire me with your Knowledge Hawkeye instead of your negativity as with all the rest or at least most of your posts that I see in this site.

Why is that by the way?? Your negativity that is?? Is it because you have turned your back on Jesus??

Or, did you never really invite Jesus into your heart??
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This is the "Relationships and Spirituality" section, not the "Politics and Religion" section, discussions here are meant to be (even if they rarely stay that way) about how religion or spirituality is affecting your relationship.

Not sure that proselytizing or name-calling is the point.
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This is the "Relationships and Spirituality" section, not the "Politics and Religion" section, discussions here are meant to be (even if they rarely stay that way) about how religion or spirituality is affecting your relationship.

Not sure that proselytizing or name-calling is the point.
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So which is it Hawkeye: You used to be a Christian - which by definition you opened your Heart to God and the Holy Spirit came in - or - your lived a lie - meaning you outwardly practiced religion in the name of Jesus - but, inwardly you knew it was a Lie???

And yes, I stand by my statement that unless you are a believer in Jesus Christ the only Son of the Living God - you cannot comprehend the entire Word of God.

Because you see - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God - and the Word was God. Check out the Gospel of John and read. Then go to Genesis - it starts the same way as John - In the Beginning..... Notice how God created man in OUR image - not His image - See Genesis 28.

Go back to the book of John Chapter 1 - and the Word became Flesh - check it out folks. Read the book of John.

Inspire me with your Knowledge Hawkeye instead of your negativity as with all the rest or at least most of your posts that I see in this site.

Why is that by the way?? Your negativity that is?? Is it because you have turned your back on Jesus??

Or, did you never really invite Jesus into your heart??
So apostasy is literal impossible then? LOL. Trust me, I believed and loved Jesus as much as you did.
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My husband and I believe that the messiah was a true man annointed with the holy spirit. We believe we are one with him in the same way that he is one with the father. We see the doctrines of the trinity or of "jesus" being the most high as utterly evil. We believe in the set apart creator yahuah, that he is an immortal invisible spirit. Does anyone else believe this?
I had to look up the uncommon usage of Yahua and Yahushua...seeing that what you wrote seems to align with a messianic/ Hebrew Roots movement seeking to sever any Greek association (thus pagan influenced) to what was perceived as early church practice...and trying to ground this movement into saying that Christians are wrong, we are pronouncing important names wrong (as if it mattered), and that the common adherence to a calendar other than the Jewish calendar and all of it's festivals is wrong, wrong, wrong.

While I do agree that there has been a certain degree of syncretism within certain observances and practices in various ways of some Christian establishments, my main issue with the Hebrew Roots movement is that the New Testament WAS written in Koine Greek as Israel was very much Hellenized in that time period, that even many Jews had to rely on the Septuagint [Greek translation of Torah/OT. In fact, there are some obvious borrowings from the Septuagint when referenced in Scripture (I believe it is in Jude)]. While Jesus was probably referred to differently in Hebrew or Aramaic tongue...such as many say Y'shua...really it's what we know as Joshua and since the NT was written in Greek, the use of Jesus or Iesous is not some eternal infraction...it's how the Greeks say the name. So yes, although Jesus does not reflect the lingual hebrew root of what Y'shua connotes...that too, is not an infraction. The Creator knows our hearts...and isn't too petty to frown upon folks who believe in Him and love Him with all of their hearts, "But dang it! Why can't they same my name right!? That's it! Be gone!"

By the way Christos has the same meaning as Messiah (meshiach)...it means annointed one.

And as for God...named as the tetragrammaton...yodh he waw he...there seems to be a insistence that it ought to be pronounced Yahuah...when really no one knows the true pronunciation as The Name was so highly revered and still is by modern Judaism...that even the popular Yahweh is in question (as they assume the niphal root vowel arrangement). Insisting that it must be Yahuah has about just as much weight as insisting that it MUST be pronounced as Jehovah (as they just overlapped vowels from Adonai onto YHWH).

If shedding all vestiges of culture other than what is assumed is that of the early church, then basically it undermines the early churches decision not to force Gentile to live as Jews, since we are free by the laws of grace. Peter was confronted by this when he had the dream of the net carrying all of the unclean animals. Paul Confronted Peter on this when Peter started to disassociate with Gentiles. We do not live under the law, so as much as you are trying to shed the accumulation of pagan influence...you are unnecessarily burdening yourself with more law.

It is important to know where things come from, where they started, and what they mean? Yes. Does it mean that we should take a look at accepted practices under the microscope. Absolutely. But it doesn't mean that we have to take drastic measures to make sure we are pronouncing things appropriately and have to take up ancient Jewish rituals and practices that themselves were only a torchbearer for the completion made by the Messiah. As Paul would say, this doesn't free us to live in abject immorality or we should live as we have a get out of jail free card, but we also live in grace through faith...and we aren't subject to observatory laws. My two cents.
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Hi everyone well I dnt have access to a computer now I only have my cell so I cant rly say all that id like at this time.


I certainly have learned that there is no point in arguing about this. I just posted hoping to find some like minded friends. I am not in the hebrew roots movement and I dont think ppl who believe in the trinity are evil bc I know thats the prevalent way that ppl are introduced to the gospel. But I believe yahuah will call them away from that teaching in the same way he did for me n my man. I pronounce the names this way but im not saying that everyone else is required to. But I do believe the only truth is the son of god NOT god the son.
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I have my religion. I am not telling you which one.

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