cb45

in re: to my perfection phrase eh? hmmm, always looking to be
be clear let me clarify; perfection as in Spiritual (alone), No.
Perfection as in being "in Him & Him in me", Yes. For thats
the only way Elohim can look at us, & us approach HIM, thru
Jesus' blood covering us, His Spirit in us, and His witnessing
as much/such (or defending/acknowledging/testifying to same) as our Advocate-Priest (amongst many rel'shp titles/tasks He shares/maintains,etc)

Why that would be
Luke 13:4 Consider the possiblities of before and after judgmts
or comments He could've made, & more so, interventions ala
healings/miracles etc. selah.

Parrothead

Not at all, you assume too much. I have many books in my library, that's just another one of them. It may interest you to know that there are a TON of self help programs based on AA, btw.

That's not what you said. You said something about "a born again christian goes thru a "cleansing stage" in which
they confess/acknowledge past sins that need to be addressed
and/or fixed/resolved. in essence, almost like a "judgement day" on earth in which atonement is possible/necessary".

The atonement is basic stuff, I don't remembering seeing anything about a "cleansing stage".


Whatever...

cb45

3.

2. ....whew! (cb catches his breath after hard belly ROFL)

your choice/choose now...." (Joshua)
a) glad "we" clarified that; b) need more clarity; c) PH bright & "he" can figure it out; d) leave 'em lol, best medicine

and.....finally (the countdown ends)

1. cb didnt "assume" anything. he used the key word "if"...
look it up if u must but u'll see semantic difference, eh?
IF u are going to hold me to semantic standards (is ok,
as i'm always looking to improve all facets of communique),
BEST, u be ready to live up to friendly/accuracy challenge
as well. fair is fair. non-negotiable, u digg?

Parrothead

I am not arguing semantics with you, I am just trying to figure out what in Gehenna you are talking about. You need to look up the word "context".

SimplyAmorous

This is so true, many could not care less. I never heard that saying before, I like it!

When the unforgiven DOES care & it holding out their hand, I think it is accually so much EASIER to forgive from the heart -because it is a bridge repaired , a relationship restored.

When they don't care, soooo much harder to get through, but we have to do it --for ourselves.

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Parrothead

I agree!

cb45

apologies to PH, think i had too many post/replies going at one time and cross over the replies.

we were going back n forth on minor pts most likely but depending on how we go about that "back n forth" process
can turn minor into major, no?

as i re-read back-posts, i only see the need to clarify a mistake
i made on saying Spiritual wasnt perfected. for that was sealed on "Born again" day. done deal. Soul isnt perfected. thats still (sigh) a work in progress all tks to H>S> leading.

AFEH

I “learnt” about forgiveness in my early 50s. It was a time of introspection for me. I looked back on my life and saw the grudges I’d held against my father for “the things he got wrong”. Then I looked at myself as the father of my two sons and I saw the things that I’d got wrong. The very first thing I did was to go to my father’s grave and forgive him. I sat with him for two hours in the drizzling rain and forgave him. When I got up to leave the clouds opened a bit and the sun came down in rays. I like to think my forgiveness released him from his grave and up he went.

When I realised what I’d got wrong with my sons was totally unintentional I was able to forgive myself. I then forgave every person who I thought had “wronged me”. I did this by writing it down in bullet points and went into churches during private prayer time. For me there is absolutely no need for the person to know that I have forgiven them. It was totally and utterly something I did for myself so I would not hold onto grudges, past hurts and live as a bitter and resentful person.

I don’t think I would ever tell a person that “I have forgiven them”. For me that is quite a prideful thing to do. Plus I’d be too concerned that they’d retort in a mocking, hurtful way or they would deny that they'd ever hurt me.

These days I try for “instant forgiveness”. Why? Because it “frees me up”, relaxes me so I can really see and understand what’s going on in the interaction. I’m going to forgive at some stage anyway, so why not do it instantly? But I still don’t tell the other person, it is something I say to myself.

But if someone were to ask me to forgive them I am more or less always in the position to say “I have forgiven you.”.

But there are two things I don’t believe in. I don’t believe in forgiveness without boundaries. If we’ve been hurt we have every right to assert a new boundary to protect ourselves from being hurt again by the same person and the same thing. “ I have forgiven you but you will never do that again to me.”.

The second thing I don’t believe in is taking things from a person I am unable to forgive. For me that would be extremely two faced and abusive of the other person and I would lose my personal sense of my credibility and integrity.