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post #31 of 89 (permalink) Old 04-11-2015, 05:07 PM
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I'm not a pagan but I am a magical witch.

I live in the Pac NW and have had lots of pagan friends and been to lots of festivals and naked parties in the woods. It's just what we do here.

The stuff I study can be considered weirder than pagan stuff by some, less weird by others. For me, in the end it is all the same path no matter what path you took.

I have very few friends who fully share my beliefs, however there are groups of people all over the world who do, and I just got back from a cruise with about 1,000 of us, and that was awesome.

My husband has his own type of magic and belief system, not quite like mine but very powerful in his life. He is part Native American and has a very intimate relationship with the earth and nature.

Frankly, if I was single, I don't even know if I could date someone with MY belief system, because people are so different about this stuff. If they were sooooo into it that they couldn't relate to me on a human basis anymore, or if they were into it but really didn't get it or apply it in their life, that would be less of a match for me than someone who is agnostic but open and curious.
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-To everyone else, Would you even bother dating someone with this sort of spirituality? Why?
For me it's a +2 points
Atheists for me its +1 point

For Christians it's -2 points
Muslims its -2 points
Buddhism/Hinduism/other mainstream religions its -1 point

So yeah, I prefer dating someone with a touch of spirituality but I despise religion.
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The ribbon of energy across the picture.

The picture is of Laurie Cabot's witch coven taken in 1979 by national geographic magazine.
It looks like a tree branch or maybe something happened during developing of the film!
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It looks like a tree branch or maybe something happened during developing of the film!
The picture has been studied extensively and no explanation has been found. Laurie Cabot simply says the picture was taken during what they called a circle where energy is drawn in and projected. I'll post the link to her actual explanation below.

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Sorry I don't believe in energy fields showing up in pictures!

No explanation means just that. It doesn't mean something out of this world!
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Sorry I don't believe in energy fields showing up in pictures!

No explanation means just that. It doesn't mean something out of this world!
A while ago I was talking to my pagan friends regarding an article I read about how science proved that auras actually existed and they could now be measured and photographed. Their response..."yeah we've known that for centuries." Sometimes it takes science a little while to catch up to widely held beliefs and known truths. I wouldn't call energy fields out of this world. I would just say we're still in the learning stages of that discipline.

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an article I read about how science proved that auras actually existed and they could now be measured and photographed.
Google "scientific proof of auras" -

1) Japanese Scientists Prove That Auras Actually Exist

"A group of Japanese scientists from the University of Tokyo under the supervision of Mio Watanabe, conducted a series of experiments by which they managed to visually capture the aura of a person, thus proving its existence! With the assistance of highly sensitive cameras the scientists were able to photograph a person’s special glow. Notably, the glow appears brightest in the morning and seems to “fade” in the evening. It is most visible around the face, mouth, cheeks and neck. Experts believe that this technique could become a new tool for use in the diagnosis and treatment of many diseases. A faint glow around certain body parts may indicate the presence of a disease or disorder."

Funny, have yet to hear my doctor discussing this technique, especially since this article appears on such an esteemed medical blog....[/sarcasm]

2) The Aura: A Brief Review - CSI

"In summary, although there is ample evidence that human beings are surrounded by thermal, electromagnetic, and electrostatic fields (Presman 1970 as cited in Dobrin et al. 1977), there is a lack of evidence for the existence of the aura that psychics claim to see."

3) Scientific evidence explains why some healers see the 'aura' of people

"But as well as tricking the patients into healing themselves, scientists believe healers are also deceiving themselves. [They] have abilities and attitudes that make them believe in their ability to heal other people, but it is actually a case of self-deception, as synesthesia is not an extrasensory power, but a subjective and ‘adorned’ perception of reality”.

Synesthesia is when a person's senses get "mixed" so someone "sees" colors, e.g., when they hear a sound, or hear a sound when they sense a particular smell. However, nothing in this article discusses actually measuring someone's aura, it's all about explaining what the people who THINK they see auras are actually experiencing.

To dovetail into many other threads in this sub-forum, this is what the crticial thinker does, the skeptic (not the "cynic"), they take claims that seem far-fetched and demand evidence, which in this case, doesn't exist.
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Well, I'm a Christian but pragmaster is certainly entitled to his views. And I'm not so sure he will have too much trouble finding like minded souls. The theory of energy transference is not new and at least partially accepted by many. Take this photo for instance. I don't know what it is but it has never been discredited or explained away. I trust that someday God will enlighten me when He calls me home.
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Ok, I'll bite: what does "discredited" mean? What "credit" was given? "I purport that this is an 'energy wave' linking the people in this picture - prove me wrong"? How about, "it's a glitch in the lighting, lint on the lens, a hiccup in the developing process," etc...? A long time passed where people simply said, "thunder is produced by the anger of the gods" before someone could prove it wrong. That didn't make it any more of a viable explanation. I think it's intellectually dishonest to cherry pick something perceived to be without an explanation, and say "my beliefs explain that." What about the TRILLIONS of pictures with no such mark on it, there is just NO energy among those subjects?
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Oh, COME. ON!?!!

https://concordiaabchao.wordpress.co...t-or-did-they/

"I saw an article on Davi****e.com today titled: “Japanese Scientists Prove That Auras Actually Exist”. I thought: cool, finally someone did that. Then I read the article and wanted to see the source...[h]owever there is no link to the study....I decided to google Mio Watanabe, aura and University of Tokyo. I found another article...[t]here is no mention of Mio Watanabe, University of Tokyo or even Japan...[a]s far as I can tell the origin of this alleged study is Anna LeMind of learning-mind.com...[i]t seems like another new agey hoax. Someone is saying something that all of the New Agers and truthseekers already believe, so they believe the person saying it, because they want to believe it."

The "proof" is COMPLETEY UNFOUNDED, and you declare "I'm glad others have too"?? Have what, perpetuated a myth?

happy as a clam: you're open to ALL things, huh? Ok, are you open to atheism? Are you open to the idea that maybe, just maybe, your doctrine is completely wrong? That believing in a god that loves us all so much, yet wipes out millions of people every year through suffering, tragedy, disease, illness, may just be harder to swallow than, "there is no god, and life just sucks sometimes"? Your clear anxiety and urgency all starts with, "there's a god and jesus just waiting to enlighten us" - if you attached any other name to it, you'd probably think, "that's crazy," yet there's as much proof for any other name as there is for the ones you're using. Anyone who talks about "processing what is real" and includes Morgellon's, and Jesus, has a loose definition of "real."
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-To everyone else, Would you even bother dating someone with this sort of spirituality? Why?
Me, personally? Nope! Not my thing. I'm agnostic; I find the 100% CERTAINTY of atheism as arrogant as the 100% CERTAINTY of theism. How can we know? We're mere humans. And just because millions of humans have believed something for millennia, doesn't make it fact. How many believed in Thor? Zeus? a flat Earth? Earth as the center of the universe? etc... I have no problem saying 'I don't know if there is god/s'.

So, no, I would not date someone with beliefs like yours. Then again, I wouldn't date a Jewish rabbi, a Presbyterian minister, an Anglican priest either...although I'd DEFINITELY make an exception for Sydney on Grantchester! But that's because he's a very kind, caring, human priest who chain-smokes, drinks to excess, and fornicates...but I digress....
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happy as a clam: you're open to ALL things, huh? Ok, are you open to atheism? Are you open to the idea that maybe, just maybe, your doctrine is completely wrong? That believing in a god that loves us all so much, yet wipes out millions of people every year through suffering, tragedy, disease, illness, may just be harder to swallow than, "there is no god, and life just sucks sometimes"? Your clear anxiety and urgency all starts with, "there's a god and jesus just waiting to enlighten us" - if you attached any other name to it, you'd probably think, "that's crazy," yet there's as much proof for any other name as there is for the ones you're using. Anyone who talks about "processing what is real" and includes Morgellon's, and Jesus, has a loose definition of "real."
Am I open to atheism? If that's what floats your boat, go for it. But I'm not atheistic at all.

Is my doctrine completely wrong? I doubt it. Is yours???

I refuse to argue religion. Edited my previous post for that reason.

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Atheism is a belief system just like any/all religious belief systems. And just like any/all belief systems atheism relies on faith. The only difference is the target of the belief and the source of the faith. I have friends that are atheists as well but just like my pagan friends we respect each other's beliefs. And like the clam man I don't argue. I share, I learn, I discuss, and I grow.

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Atheism is not a faith or belief system. Surely it is a feature of a philosophy but it is not religion.

Atheists do not "believe there is not god" they require empirical proof of anything before believing it to be true. Strictly speaking Atheism is the lack of belief.

Agnostic relates to a persons view of knowledge and specifically to what can be known outside the material. A person can be an agnostic atheist who believes the metaphysical cannot be known or a gnostic atheist who believes the lack of any metaphysical knowledge basically proves there isn't anything metaphysical. Both viewpoints have marginal consequences so there is not a lot of debate between the views.

I would be OK with dating a pagan. Though I'd take extra care in developing the relationship. Even though I have many pagan friends, the pagans I have known seem to have a very high rate of personal and Psychological problems.

The concept of "proof" being thrown out in this thread suggesting that auras and other things have been 'proven' and even that quantum physics shares some connection with mysticism seems dubious to me. I think all of this is a misunderstanding of either what "proof" is in science, what may have be shown in certain experiments that are misunderstood, and an outright detachment from what quantum physics is really about. Moreover, the "energy" thing, until someone can measure it, demonstrate it in the laboratory repeatedly, science really does not have anything to say about it. It should not conclude it is impossible but perhaps improbable to a high degree. One has to wonder if a one camera can pick it up, why not others and why not repeatably and demonstrably.
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