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Yeah, "the secret" book/video is great! It's a different way to view Will and Intent.

Guys, chilax lol. That is the problem with the world today. People are too reasonable, lack trust, lack faith (tee hee!), and their lives are dull and lack magik.

Our mistake as men is to believe that the only perception worthy of our acknowledgement is what goes through our reason.

I will repeat this once more:

Our mistake as men is to believe that the only perception worthy of our acknowledgement is what goes through our reason.

That is shamanism 101. Breaking habits, seeking detachment, aloofness, destroying the human mold, channeling will and intent, harnessing energy, practicing lucid dreaming, connecting with inorganic beings. It's all about learning and not closing our minds to that which is not presently perceivable.
I've become a better man and indeed a better Christian by sharing my beliefs and by being truly open as others share theirs. Being devout and open minded are not mutually exclusive despite what many believe.


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And I've experienced miracles in my life that I just cannot chalk up to coincidence. But we all need to make our own mind up about what we believe.
Sure, but what you are describing is metaphysical ecstasy with the beauty of the world. Which is a wonderful and fulfilling spiritual experience wherever it leads you, but it is not a rational argument for the existence of god. You are deciding this is true despite any real evidence and (apparently) do not feel comfortable with owning up to what it really is--a total act of faith. Apologies of for the psychoanalysis but I have no explanation handy for conflating evidence/facts with belief/faith.
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Sure, but what you are describing is metaphysical ecstasy with the beauty of the world. Which is a wonderful and fulfilling spiritual experience wherever it leads you, but it is not a rational argument for the existence of god. You are deciding this is true despite any real evidence and (apparently) do not feel comfortable with owning up to what it really is--a total act of faith. Apologies of for the psychoanalysis but I have no explanation handy for conflating evidence/facts with belief/faith.
People have believed in things long before they could be "proven." I believe it is less rational to see the world and conclude that it's just a random act of chaos than a benevolent act of an intelligence. And what is evidence? I'm sure that Copernicus received no flak for his contention that the earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around. And in the third century it was (correctly) theorized that the earth was round and not flat as many had believed. But not until 1518 when a man named Magellan circumvented the globe was the theory actually proven. So is my contention that there is a God but it has not yet been proven any more outlandish? Is it faith? Of course. But isn't faith just another name for having an open mind?

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There is no such thing as a God like the Christians/Catholics believe. Anybody who believes in a man in the clouds that will judge them upon death is a blind fool.

The Hebrew bible and the Quran were misinterpreted. In order to know what truly happened, you must study the Book of Enoch, the Enuma Elish (Sumerian scriptures) and the Egyptians. Imhotep was Enoch. There was a link between the Egyptians, the "Archangels", the Jews and the Nicene council tried to remove this link from the Bible in the early AD's.

Why? Simple. The Sumerians worshiped the Annunaki, a humanoid race from a distant planet with elongated skulls. They apparently came to earth looking for gold and found the Neanderthal man. The legend is that they created Adamo (interesting link) by genetically modifying our bone marrow and by giving us the gift of consciousness. Our purpose was to mine gold for them. When the task was completed, they were to return to their planet. But something crazy happened! The "gods" started having sex with the humans and they created the Nephilim! This upset the ruler Anu, and he decided that before they left they would kill all humans by not warning them about the colossal flood that would occur when there ship left earths orbit. (The great flood was real and you can find evidence in multiple cultures all across the globe). Anyways, one of the leaders, Enki, grew foud of humans. He guided the mighty Atra-hasis (known to others as Noah) to create an ark to save mankind. The thing is this. Christians believe that Noah took two of every animal. It did happen, but only DNA samples, using highly sophisticated extraction technology. It sounds crazy and I can't say I believe all of it, but it's much more interesting and plausible when you think about it, compared to other creationist stories. I don't believe evolution for a second. I think it's too "easy". I do however believe we were created by another race. I mean, we are going to other planets now and if we could "improve" something, why wouldn't we? We can already genetically modify organisms. Anyways... I love thinking and talking about this stuff, real or not.

Hinduism talks alot about Vimana's, the flying machines of the gods. If they were gods, why the machines? Anyways, I love the show Ancient Aliens. You should totally watch it!!! I just love thinking what would happen if aliens invaded earth. What would the thumpers think then?

Shamanism is like Satanism in a way but plus a few other important tidbits found in Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism. You are God. Do whatever you want. Remember what I said. The world is a reflection of ourselves. Just remember that.

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That was awesome. Lol
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Can one of you wiccans help me put a love spell on this hot little Latina I work with?
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Rule number one: can't kill anyone.

Rule number two: can't make anyone fall in love with anybody else.

Rule number three: can't bring anybody back from the dead.
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Our mistake as men is to believe that the only perception worthy of our acknowledgement is what goes through our reason.

That is shamanism 101. Breaking habits, seeking detachment, aloofness, destroying the human mold, channeling will and intent, harnessing energy, practicing lucid dreaming, connecting with inorganic beings. It's all about learning and not closing our minds to that which is not presently perceivable.
It's all good when you keep this to yourself.

However, wanting to convince other people that this is "science"... That I have a huge problem with.

The human body is of course made of electromagnetic fields, but aura photography is still fake.

As for quantum physics, I trust you've studied it. I did, and the common "theories" about vibrational energy and who knows what are nowhere to be found in quantum physics.

Do you want to believe in those spiritual theories?

Fine! Just leave science out of it.
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Rule number one: can't kill anyone.

Rule number two: can't make anyone fall in love with anybody else.

Rule number three: can't bring anybody back from the dead.
"Can't" or "Don't"

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You'll have to consult the Genie Handbook.
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Rule number one: can't kill anyone.

Rule number two: can't make anyone fall in love with anybody else.

Rule number three: can't bring anybody back from the dead.
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Lol...saw your post and just had to reply. Wiccan magic won't work on Latinas. You gotta talk to the lady at the'Botanica'.
I actually had a Curendera heal me from food poisoning once while I was traveling in Nayarit Mexico. She did a great job. Gave me some skanky soup to eat and the next day I felt great.
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I cannot with certainty categorically state that there has never been a mammal from the Equidae family that one could term a unicorn. In other words just because I've not seen one doesn't mean one never existed. Same thing goes for dragons, Bigfoot or pink bunnies. As I've aged the most important thing I've learned is that I have much to learn.

As for what level of proof I need to believe something all I need do is open my eyes and see the world. There is too much beauty for me to believe there is no intelligent purpose behind it. And I've experienced miracles in my life that I just cannot chalk up to coincidence. But we all need to make our own mind up about what we believe.
bfree: you are using logical fallacies that apologists try to use by the truckload, and they are WRONG. "Too much beauty"????? There is cancer, disease, poverty, sickness and war at every turn in this world - all "God's plan" right? Why is 99.999% of the universe completely hostile to human existence? Hell, a lot of THIS PLANET is uninhabitable and will KILL a human were they to try to live there. There are so many examples of the UNintelligent design of the human body, you could write a book on it (youtube "Stupid Design" by NdGT).

You selectively see what you want to reinforce an irrational belief. Then you try to pass off "atheist belief" as just the other side of the same coin. That is dishonest and wrong. You completely misuse terms to fit your agenda. A scientific "hypothesis" is NOT a belief, certainly not in the same mode as a religious belief, it is an educated guess. You know what happens to that hypothesis when evidence won't support it?? IT GETS ABANDONED. You know what happens when religious beliefs aren't supported by evidence? They are HELD MORE DEEPLY because God is so "mysterious."

You continue to misunderstand agnosticism and gnosticism. An atheist is not "so sure" a god does not exist. GET IT STRAIGHT. An atheist simply does not believe there is a god. THAT'S IT. If I said, "I have a diamond the size of my refrigerator buried in my backyard," do you believe me or not? Any rational, intelligent person would say, "well, let me see some evidence. Until then, I'd have to say no." If you just say "yes," you are ridiculous.
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Cancer, disease, poverty, sickness and war are all a creation by man, not God. This is another reason why I could never be an atheist. Since according to atheists there is no God they invariably focus on man. But it seems to my humble eyes that while God creates man tends to destroy. As for your fridge sized diamond, if it makes you happy who am I to burst your bubble?

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