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post #16 of 23 (permalink) Old 05-01-2015, 05:27 PM
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Re: So I went to my husbands church...

A relationship with God is not worship. True Worshiping is worshiping when you have a relationship with God and you mean the words you say in worship.

Give me a definition of what worship is from the scriptures .

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Sounds pretty dippy. I wouldn't stay. Brings back memories. I would be at the alter praying and some dipwads would come over and try to anoint me and make something supernatural happen.

I told them to get lost. I was praying to God and if he wanted to do something to me or give me something HE didn't need them to help Him.

I hate it when someone tells me to raise my hands or worship louder or whatever. I feel ya OP. ��
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A relationship with God is not worship. True Worshiping is worshiping when you have a relationship with God and you mean the words you say in worship.

Give me a definition of what worship is from the scriptures .
The purpose of our worship is to glorify, honor, praise, exalt, and please God. Our worship must show our adoration and loyalty to God for His grace in providing us with the way to escape the bondage of sin, so we can have the salvation He so much wants to give us. The nature of the worship God demands is the prostration of our souls before Him in humble and contrite submission. James 4:6, 10 tells us, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up". Our worship to God is a very humble and reverent action.

Jesus says in John 4:23-24, "But the hour is coming, and now is, when true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." It doesn’t say we can worship God anyway we want, but we "must worship Him in spirit and in truth". The word "must" makes it absolute. There is no other way we can worship God and be acceptable to Him. The word "must", according to Webster, expresses "an obligation, a requirement, a necessity, a certainty, and something that must be done". When "must" is used it means that it is not optional. Here the word "must" is expressing that in spirit and in truth is the only way to acceptably worship God.

Since God is the object of our worship, He and He alone has the right to determine how we are to worship Him. We read in Jeremiah 10:23, "O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself, it is not in man who walks to direct his own steps." We are not granted the option of directing our own ways in religion. God is the One who we look to for guidance and direction in our lives.

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I do not see anything suggesting dancing and singing as an integral part of worshiping God. Yes, a relationship with God is a form of worship if it is done with spirit and truth. Suggesting how someone should worship is wrong. It is personal.

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I don't believe I have a problem with worship at all. God made us all different and gave us all different personalities. Some people are more outgoing and animated, some are more modest and keep their emotions to themselves. I am one of those people that tend to keep my emotions to myself. It's not just in church, I'm like that when it comes to everything. Sometimes during the music, if it's a song I really can relate to, I will even get emotional and I find myself trying to hold back tears. So no one can tell me that my way of worshipping is less than theirs just because Im not extremely animated about it like they are. And furthermore, it's no one's place to tell me that. That's up to God to judge.
I so agree with what you say here.. the Church I went to for many years sounded much like what you have described here -except not randomly walking up & taking the microphone.. very friendly people, dancing in the aisles, some spoke in tongues.. now ME.. the most I ever did was clap & sing, preferred sitting near the back too... but I so enjoyed watching the expression of others -that freedom.. and how true.. the more reserved / personality more introverted, these people are NOT going to be dancing in the aisles, I was never one to raise my hands either.

They called our church "Undenominational" but it was clearly geared Pentecostal.... I had issues with a # of things taught there.. even feeling I was "less than"/ not to their level or "spiritual enlightenment" & all that.... to the point... It turned me off to religion in a # of ways...now I am a Deist.. but I still have many friends who are christian.

Laughing reading your Post Intheory!

I just see this as Extroverts not understanding Introverts when you come across something like this.. and being "TOO spiritually minded" can cross over -then they THINK God is speaking to them >>> NOT !

This is a saying out of one of my temperament books.. I think you would like it...

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"Different Drums for Different Drummers"

If I do not want what you want, please try not to tell me that my want is wrong.

Or if I believe other than you, at least pause before you correct my view.

** Or if my emotion is less than yours, or more, given the same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel more strongly or weakly.

** Or yet if I act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action, let me be. I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will come only when you are willing to give up changing me into a copy of you.

If you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or beliefs, or actions, then you open yourself to the possibility that some day these ways of mine might not seem so wrong, and might finally appear as right--- FOR ME. To put up with me is the 1st step to understanding me.

Not that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no longer irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness. And in understanding me you might come to prize my differences from you, and, far from seeking to change me, preserve and even nurture those differences.

I may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, your friend, or your colleague. But whatever our relation, this I know: You are I are fundamentally different and both of us have to march to our own drummer.
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I know exactly what you mean, although I'm not into religion we were raised . . . Adventist! The most hardcore type of Christian. No shorts, no jewelry, no dancing, no Christmas tree's; most of all - no nothing. So my friend talks me into going to this church where people are waving arms and speaking in tongues, and literally appear to be possessed, and I seem to be the only one not really into it, I felt uncomfortable as you did and to compensate for my discomfort I left a BIG bill in the collection plate - my bad.

She probably was talking to you, but . . she can go to - heaven these people aren't just good hearted Christians, they literally see the devil everywhere. I had to fix a computer once for the church, simple error stuff, but they had convinced themselves that . . . the devil did it and they had people praying over it and casting out demons and they aren't too much better than muslim extremists, if they had the power they'd burn people like me and you at the stake.
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James 4:6, 10 tells us, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up"

Worship Leader : lets us raise our hands in worship
person 1: Why is he telling me to raise my hands, I hate it why is he telling me what to do
person 2: lifts their hands without question

Of these two persons which one is the humble one?

But the hour is coming, and now is, when true worshipers will worship.The true worshipers here are worshiping .Maybe I phrased my question the wrong way .What I wanted is for you to show how worship was done from the scriptures. You will find out there is a lot of bowing down going on .

Worship

Pslam 132
7 “Let us go to his dwelling place,
let us worship at his footstool, saying,
8‘Arise, Lord, and come to your resting place,
you and the ark of your might.
9 May your priests be clothed with your righteousness;
may your faithful people sing for joy.’ ”

(1)In worshiping there is saying , which means words a being spoken.

2 Chronicles 29
27 Then Hezekiah ordered that the burnt offering be offered on the altar. When the burnt offerings began, the song of the Lord and the trumpets began, accompanied by the instruments of David king of Israel. 28 The whole assembly was worshiping, singing the song, and blowing the trumpets—all of this continued until the burnt offering was completed.

(2) In worship there is singing and playing of instruments ,the whole assembly was worshiping singing the song.

Roamns 12:1
Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship.

(3) Living a holy life is true worship

Pslam 63:4
I will praise you as long as I live,
and in your name I will lift up my hands.

Lifting of hands

Praise and Worship are two different activities.

Praise

Praise is about exhalting t someone. That is why a person can be praised but not worshiped . After David had killed Goliath the women sang a song praising David and Saul.Praise involves singing ,dancing,words,shouting ,clapping hands .

Pslam 47
1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph.
6 Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises.
7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.Praise is one of our weapons.
Psalm 8
Through the praise of children and infants you have established a stronghold against your enemies,to silence the foe and the avenger.

That last part of pslam 47:7 is very interesting ,sing ye praises with understanding.Whatever you do do it with understanding. do not be like the people in Jude:10 who slander whatever they do not understand.

Relationship with God

Isaiah 30:20
Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”

My understanding of having a relationship with God is this. God the father is in heaven but the holy spirit who is that teacher mentioned here ,lives in me .It is he who I relate with , he tells me this the way walk in it , I say to him lord I don't understand this teach me your ways that I may walk in them (basically we are in conversation and this is not the same as worship)
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We United Methodists are never deemed to be a confrontational lot nor are we going to get right up in your face to share the love and word of God! Like us, we think that you will find Him of your own accord! Kind of like our founder, the flamboyant English country preacher, John Wesley!

Y'all just keep on looking and you will eventually find what it is that you are truly looking for as a couple!

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Y'all just keep on looking and you will eventually find what it is that you are truly looking for as a couple!
Please do this. Keep looking. Maybe your path is not to attend "a church" at all. (I know I'll catch wrath for saying that)

I'm currently in a men's small group and that's it. My fiance does her girls group. We use sunday mornings to sit on our back porch and just take in some quiet time. It works for us.

Neither of us want to go to a church and listen to a guy tell us about his relationship with God from the pulpit. It's just our thing. We are happy and at peace about it.

Find what works for you as a couple.

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