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Old 09-24-2011, 04:35 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Your meaning is pretty clear. To be clear on behalf of the forum, no one gets banned for expressing opinions. Only those who break forum guidelines, attack or openly bash forum guidelines, or incite in the posts are banned....

Feel free to express opinions but do so without being rude.
I wouldn't presume to disagree.

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Old 09-24-2011, 09:26 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Well mate, in response to your recent discussion with your wife; she must be made to question but in my opinion you've only won half the fight; Praising God for healing people is harmless, though yes I do wonder if she also accepts how "pagan" spiritual leaders heal people too hehe ("What?! No! Demons must have healed them! Because they are not Christian healers!" )

Still, the best way to deal with this issue is to speak her language;
Christian language. Not the science language. The science language will go in one ear and out the other without Christian input. Your wife most certainly already knows about science, and you must sow the seeds (as you have done), give her questions, but still encourage her faith enough for her to question on her own accord (more on that below...), her problem is the blindfold that she places around her eyes willingly.

She can't be made to see if you don't talk her language, it will only shut her eyes more and she will go "no! I must not listen! The devil is tricking me! I must have faith!" She's stuck living in fear! Heh, if she must have faith, then let her know she should have more faith instead of being so afraid of question!
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:36 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Not to mention that Christianity is supposed to be a relationship between one and God, what kind of relationship is it when one is afraid to ask God for revelations? Tell her that. The funny thing is many times when comparing my wife's intepretation of the bible compared to other Christian teachings; they are still quite similar.

Heck, I hope you understand this, in this issue you can't be too blunt, but you must be very precise and careful like performing surgery on her head; have to be specific, and using the right tools for the job.
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:07 AM   #49 (permalink)
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She can't be made to see if you don't talk her language, it will only shut her eyes more and she will go "no! I must not listen! The devil is tricking me! I must have faith!"
That's exactly it. In fact, she already constructed her defense: "when you turn sincerily to jesus, you get attacked by the devil from all sides". Locks has been planted to prevent rational thinking or taking a bit of distance with one's beliefs...

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Heck, I hope you understand this, in this issue you can't be too blunt, but you must be very precise and careful like performing surgery on her head; have to be specific, and using the right tools for the job.
I think I understand. This is a touchy task!

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Old 09-26-2011, 06:18 PM   #50 (permalink)
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One thing that comes to mind here is which particular sect of Christianity is she part of? My ELCA church and my uncle's Missouri Synod church, in spite of both being labeled Lutheran and Christian, have lots of areas of disagreement.
There are sects that believe that Revelation is written in code to the believers of its time. There are those which believe it is a prediction of our times. And probably everything in between. We're all Christians because we believe in Christ, the Son of God, but we really, really, disagree on the details. And, when we disagree, we tend to split. (Which beats, ya know, killing the heretics, right?) Knowing which particular group you're dealing with, down to the details, is going to be useful to you.
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One thing that comes to mind here is which particular sect of Christianity is she part of? My ELCA church and my uncle's Missouri Synod church, in spite of both being labeled Lutheran and Christian, have lots of areas of disagreement.
There are sects that believe that Revelation is written in code to the believers of its time. There are those which believe it is a prediction of our times. And probably everything in between. We're all Christians because we believe in Christ, the Son of God, but we really, really, disagree on the details. And, when we disagree, we tend to split. (Which beats, ya know, killing the heretics, right?) Knowing which particular group you're dealing with, down to the details, is going to be useful to you.
I dont whether to call this quote sad, hilarious, ridiculous, pathetic, or.....eh.....(politically correct version), "off the mark."

WE "are [NOT] all Christians because we believe in Christ" for even the devils "believe" in Jesus, and KNOW his authority rules anywhere/anytime HE says so (dont believe me? ask the "pigs")
Christian are those who believe, understand, and OBEY Him when
He gives direction/instructions! And the fruit will show it!

Notice i wrote the name, Jesus; not a minor detail as it is His
name (more accurately, Yeshua). Christ means annointed, and
is not a name, per se, for Him. (look up the Greek & Hebrew, for it goes even deeper/bigger than that/this)

But if u are a "christian" sameold, why then do u "advise" a buddhist & his interests vs a "sisters" interests which should be same as yours, as pertains to "the way, the truth, & the life"?
(not to mention little details such as conversion, unequal yoking,
etc)

And what do u base yer opinion/advise on? Mettas version (buddhist)? what about W's version of the story? maybe
she's not as "extreme" as he portrays her. this is true of many
posts here i know, but if u r truly a christian, u sholuld be aware
of these things beforehand.

Now give us 25 hail mary's, and eat some lousy species of fish
this friday as due penance for your transgressions, sameold.
(someold humor; hope yer english/american/westernized enuff
to get i am joking with ya, this part anyhew)

shalom.....

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Old 09-27-2011, 09:14 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I'm very sure that what Sameold was trying to say is that even if all christians believe that Jesus is their lord and saviour; many Christians disagree with each other's denomination/sect/beliefs/etc.

If you read his/her previous sentence:
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There are sects that believe that Revelation is written in code to the believers of its time. There are those which believe it is a prediction of our times. And probably everything in between.
In other words; you may have one interpretation of the bible, another may have another, but both may still follow the basic principles of love and forgiveness. As for him giving advice to a buddhist, what's wrong with that?
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Old 09-27-2011, 09:28 AM   #53 (permalink)
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uh, gee, tks for explaining other pts w/in his post, RD; my reading comprehensions working
just fine on this one tho'. how bout yours? (dddduh, i got his pt
on sects, u didnt on the dddddetails, eh?)

Ddddddid u comprehend what i took issue with? its just alittle more complicated than GENERALISTIC advice, as u SIMPLY stated.

Just a little, mind u.

a little.

comprende'? a little?

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Old 09-27-2011, 10:34 AM   #54 (permalink)
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One thing that comes to mind here is which particular sect of Christianity is she part of? ---snip--- We're all Christians because we believe in Christ, the Son of God, but we really, really, disagree on the details. And, when we disagree, we tend to split. (Which beats, ya know, killing the heretics, right?) Knowing which particular group you're dealing with, down to the details, is going to be useful to you.
Thanks for the sensible advice.
She does not claim any affiliation, apart from being part of the larger evangelical, born-again movement. So in theory she is quite independant, although I suspect she gets lots of ideas and opinions from other people in her church and other christian friends, and also from TV programmes and books. However, she now tuned down a bit TV shows and christian books to focus more on the bible.
She indeed rejects religion in the sense of a set of man-made rules to follow. I agree with her on questioning religious rules, although I don't call a set of religious rules "religion", it's just a part of it.

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maybe she's not as "extreme" as he portrays her
A careful examination of my posts will show that I try to be fair to what is really happening in my marriage. Yet no one is perfect, especially in difficult times...
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Old 09-28-2011, 12:37 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Metta, many christians these days reject being considered affliated with a sect it seems. The members of the missus' church in particular encourage each other to reject "Pentecostal"/"Protestant" etc titles, but instead encourage their members to use just their Church's name or just "Christian".

It doesn't mean they have no affliation or titles, they just don't seem to like being considered as such. In other words, her "independence" may be an illusion. However, if not, then you indeed have a higher chance of helping her through this phase in her life; as if she truly thinks for herself instead of being sheep, she may wake up eventually during her own spiritual journey.
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there's a fine line, sometimes, between fanaticism and piety
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Yesterday, there was another "healing session" at home. She telephoned a friend of hers, apparently ill according to what I overheard.
It's quite interesting to witness how it goes. It's essentially chanting and prayers, and as time passes, it becomes stronger and louder. They enter a sort of trance, praying is now so loud it's impossible to miss it wherever you are in the house. I am quite sure our neighbours benefit from it as well. I was upstairs reading a story to our daughter before going to sleep, I don't know if she was able to hear anything!
What I find interesting is that to me, it looks like a sort of ancient (or should I say pagan? - sorry RandomDude!) ritual. It's just that instead of invoking the forces of nature or some deity, you invoke the holy spirit and jesus... Obviously one is utterly evil while the other is as pure as can be. Interestingly, the form looks rather similar!
I also overheard some prayers to those who haven't yet open their eyes to the Truth!
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I also forgot about "I pour the Blood of the Lamb on you", etc.

incredible!
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:16 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Speaking in tongues? Heh yes, the missus does get into her rituals with her christian friends from time to time too, it's no problem - unless of course she decides to play "crusader" against me though heh

It's just one aspect of spirituality; different forms of meditation and enlightenment But unlike "pagans" I guess you're right, fundies have no respect for other forms of spirituality - I wonder if you have overheard your wife and her friends praying for you yourself to convert - it's rather quite amusing to listen. In the end I told her it's her god's will not hers that will win out - her own teachings. That's the best way to deal with it.
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It's just one aspect of spirituality; different forms of meditation and enlightenment But unlike "pagans" I guess you're right, fundies have no respect for other forms of spirituality - I wonder if you have overheard your wife and her friends praying for you yourself to convert - it's rather quite amusing to listen. In the end I told her it's her god's will not hers that will win out - her own teachings. That's the best way to deal with it.
I did overhear such things. That makes me laugh, but I need to refrain from laughing, it might hurt some people!
Interestingly enough, when she speaks to her friends, she says "we should not hate our wifes/husbands, we should hate the devil who is manipulating them"!
That's a thin line to me... But generally speaking, I think their line between ultimate good and ultimate evil (and remember there is nothing in between) is very thin indeed, especially when events are justified by supernatural reasons...
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