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That is a very misunderstood scripture.

If your H cheats or abuses you, you can divorce him if you want without violating your faith.

Catholics are stricter but not biblical in their beliefs on this issue.
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Well, I don't know...Jesus didn't agree with divorce, and if you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery, yes? (according to Scripture) That said, the Catholic faith teaches about the annulment process, not sure if that is what you're referring to, and the RCC bases annulments (that the marriage in question, was never a Sacramental marriage to begin with, etc) on Scripture.

But, we all know that many people interpret the Bible differently...so...yea. lol

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Well, I don't know...Jesus didn't agree with divorce, and if you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery, yes? (according to Scripture) That said, the Catholic faith teaches about the annulment process, not sure if that is what you're referring to, and the RCC bases annulments (that the marriage in question, was never a Sacramental marriage to begin with, etc) on Scripture.

But, we all know that many people interpret the Bible differently...so...yea. lol
There are three acceptable scriptural reasons for divorce according to Methodist doctrine: (1) adultery, (2)physical or emotional abandonment, and (3) mental and/or physical cruelty to a spouse and/or child!
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Well, I don't know...Jesus didn't agree with divorce, and if you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery, yes? (according to Scripture) That said, the Catholic faith teaches about the annulment process, not sure if that is what you're referring to, and the RCC bases annulments (that the marriage in question, was never a Sacramental marriage to begin with, etc) on Scripture.

But, we all know that many people interpret the Bible differently...so...yea. lol
He also hates adultery. Some folks quote certain scriptures while ignoring others.
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He also hates adultery. Some folks quote certain scriptures while ignoring others.
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I'm speaking of something specific, not discussing Scripture in its entirety, but you seem to want to spar with me since you've entered into this thread, and I'd prefer if you didn't post in this thread any further. Thanks.
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There are three acceptable scriptural reasons for divorce according to Methodist doctrine: (1) adultery, (2) abandonment, and (3) mental and/or physical cruelty to a spouse and/or child!
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This is very reasonable, and wish all churches taught this. They don't.
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My concern is...that I don't believe in staying in an unhealthy marriage, one with abuse and infidelity, let's say. But, Christianity teaches to turn the other cheek, so I find some of my own personal views difficult to reconcile with my faith.
Even the Catholic Church, which doesn't believe divorce on a spiritual level is possible, says that it is moral to separate or divorce in cases of abuse, infidelity, or to preserve the safety of the spouses and/or children, including financial. For example it would be considered moral to divorce an alcoholic who is endangering the family's ability to keep a home and pay the bills with irresponsible behavior.
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Well, I don't know...Jesus didn't agree with divorce, and if you divorce and remarry, you are committing adultery, yes? (according to Scripture) That said, the Catholic faith teaches about the annulment process, not sure if that is what you're referring to, and the RCC bases annulments (that the marriage in question, was never a Sacramental marriage to begin with, etc) on Scripture.

But, we all know that many people interpret the Bible differently...so...yea. lol
A "natural marriage" is one between unbaptized people or where one is Baptized and the other is not.

A Sacramental marriage is between two people who are Baptized.

Neither has anything to do with validity of the marriage. A Sacramental marriage can be declared null during the Annulment process just like a "natural marriage" can be.

The basic idea behind the Decrees of Nullity is that, while a valid marriage cannot be dissolved, the marriage might not have been valid in the first place.

In simple terms, the Church isn't holding people to vows they didn't fully understand, were coerced into, were incapable of keeping due to mental impairment, or who fraudulently entered into the covenant.
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That is a very misunderstood scripture.

If your H cheats or abuses you, you can divorce him if you want without violating your faith.

Catholics are stricter but not biblical in their beliefs on this issue.
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Biblical, but seem to try to go with God's original intent for marriage, instead of the dispensation in the New Testament of divorce.

"The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its very nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of children"

It's definitely a curiosity for me. Thanks for the comment, and I mean that. I'm not being facetious. It cause me to look it up.

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Even the Catholic Church, which doesn't believe divorce on a spiritual level is possible, says that it is moral to separate or divorce in cases of abuse, infidelity, or to preserve the safety of the spouses and/or children, including financial. For example it would be considered moral to divorce an alcoholic who is endangering the family's ability to keep a home and pay the bills with irresponsible behavior.
Yeah, and it seems as though they believe there is a "permanent mark" on the soul of those who enter into the covenant with God. I hope I'm not misinterpreting.

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It's not as tough as what one might think to get an annulment in the Catholic church. However, there is a process and it does take a little time. Probably because there are so many who want an annulment?


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I'm speaking of something specific, not discussing Scripture in its entirety, but you seem to want to spar with me since you've entered into this thread, and I'd prefer if you didn't post in this thread any further. Thanks.
Hehehe. This isn't sparring.

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Yeah, and it seems as though they believe there is a "permanent mark" on the soul of those who enter into the covenant with God. I hope I'm not misinterpreting.
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It's not as tough as what one might think to get an annulment in the Catholic church. However, there is a process and it does take a little time. Probably because there are so many who want an annulment?
Yes and no. I've been through the annullment process. The Church believes nothing that happens AFTER the vows are spoken can invalidate a valid marriage. So the investigation surrounds the time period around the ceremony. And the Church requires proof.

I had to submit a 19 page questionnaire that was quite detailed. I also had to submit the names of 5 Witnesses who would give their own testimony. And I needed copies of arrest records, psych records, counseling reports, etc. There were also in person interviews. The process took 21 months.

When I had my annullment, the case was reviewed and judged by a local Tribunal and then that was reviwed by a second Tribunal.

Now, since Pope Francis streamlined the process and only the ruling of one Tribunal is required, the process should take less time.
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Yes, that's true.



Yes and no. I've been through the annullment process. The Church believes nothing that happens AFTER the vows are spoken can invalidate a valid marriage. So the investigation surrounds the time period around the ceremony. And the Church requires proof.
I new that the idea was to prove that somehow the participant was not able to make a vow/covenant. A family member has gone through it. That person will not help me, from what I can gather when I talked with her.

I started one recently, but have to fill out the papers and send them in. It looks like it's very serious business. Not sure what I will do, since the marriage split in '93 and the divorce was finalized in '97.

Never got an annulment before the second one, but was married by a Presbyterian minister the second time, so I wasn't worried about the annulment, just the state's divorce laws.

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I had to submit a 19 page questionnaire that was quite detailed. I also had to submit the names of 5 Witnesses who would give their own testimony. And I needed copies of arrest records, psych records, counseling reports, etc. There were also in person interviews. The process took 21 months.
Would be interesting to hear the story. I did not know how very serious it was until I received the paperwork and looked at it. I do not know if I even have 5 witnesses for any of it. I may not be able to get the annulment. Who knows? It's a Jubilee year, as well.

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When I had my annullment, the case was reviewed and judged by a local Tribunal and then that was reviwed by a second Tribunal.

Now, since Pope Francis streamlined the process and only the ruling of one Tribunal is required, the process should take less time.
I hope it's easier. I'd like to put it behind me.

What bugs me is, I wonder what it means to my children? Probably nothing.

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Our faith had a major impact on our relationship. It was the core of our reconciliation. In turn it impacted my faith in a major way. At the height of my pain I felt the Lord lay it on my heart "The only thing I want you to do is be merciful to him." So, I was and three months later he gave his life to Christ.

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My wife and I are both Christians. Definitely has kept us together for almost 24 years of marriage.
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