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I got into this late, but I think you are good if you angle it as martyrdom. Find a cause, fight for it and then have them kill you. Sweet in.

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I got into this late, but I think you are good if you angle it as martyrdom. Find a cause, fight for it and then have them kill you. Sweet in.
Yeah but there is no movement or ideal that I would want to die for. I have to have something worth believing in before I would want to die for it.
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Again I'm not depressed. I just went through a battery of psychological exams six months ago and I'm not depressed or "suicidal" in the strict meaning of the term. My blood work came back clean also. I am not sitting here moping around or feeling sorry for myself. I am simply looking down the road two decades, objectively, and I don't see where it is going to work it for me. I do appreciate your concern and good advice, but I am disillusioned and disenchanted, not depressed. There is a vast difference.


Ok. Fine. Let's assume that a good lab sheet and a passed psych eval equals healthy perfection. Put that aside.

I think you're working on rationalizing a weaker path and creating a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than trying to maximize your time. What are you passionate about? What mutually fulfilling relationships are you building? How are you helping others or investing in others? If you're working on your exit plan then you're taking energy away from improving your current situation and enjoying life in the moment. Are you really that jaded? Or are you being a little lazy? Fight brother.


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A Baptist could never be that eloquent.
Many thanks, Bandito! But there are several eloquent Baptists like Charles Stanley out there, just as there are a boatload of some ineloquent Methodists! And I should know ~ I deal with them every day!

Let's just say that your comment literally brought a tear to my eye and a smile to my face!

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Your post made me cry. Then the USC-Stanford game came on. Have to keep our priorities straight. Check back in 3 hours. Don't do anything rash.
Still around? So, the score is Standford 27 and USC 10. It's enough to make a good Trojan fall on his sword. But, then there's next year, and the anticipation of vanquishing the hated and unworthy Cardinal.

Life's like that, actually. You get slammed around, beat up, and down in the dumps. Then some prospect of joy appears on the horizon.

Your question took me back 58 years when I was taking confirmation class at Grace Lutheran Church, a very conservative church and part of the Missouri Synod. The youth pastor was leading our classes. He must have been fresh out of college with a shiny new diploma in Theology. Explained grace and that Jesus had died for our sins and that what was necessary to get to heaven was to believe and repent.

So, some smart ass kid (moi?) asked if since that's the case, couldn't a person just lead a life of revelry and sin, and then at the last minute repent? Why waste time being good when you could be bad and still stride past those pearly gates. For those of us who are just goal directed, wouldn't that work? The poor Rev was flummoxed. And, about the best he could do was "God wants you to be good." And, what if you're bad and you don't get a chance to repent? Why take a chance?

See, that's the thing. If you off yourself, you can't make up for the sin, because, well you'll be dead. Why take a chance?

I've got a few years on you--hell, most likely two decades--and the last 20 years have been the most pleasing, most productive and most adventuresome of my life.

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Whereas we have all committed sin and have come short of the glory of God is paramount! To gain His pardon, all that has to be done is to solely accept and embrace the plan of salvation on Gods terms! Without that, we are doomed to a spiritually unfulfilled life!

And while there have been numerous accounts of "deathbed confessions," please keep in mind that any such confession made in that regard will be fully weighed at the time of judgment by our Heavenly Father on its own merits; as God can truly see into the inner sanctum of our hearts and can tell if we, in any way, are consciously or unconsciously being flippant or insincere!

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Hormone levels dropping due to age. It's all normal. You have more time to think about these future problems because you are not as concerned about women.

The world is pretty much how you are coming to know it. It's sad, but true. You just didn't give a damn before.

Manson was disillusioned....just sayin'...

You could start your own sort of west boro Baptist church or whatever that is called. You can get some sheepskin off the internet and teach your brand of crazy to all others. You could create a heck of a compound and just have women and men there who don't think very much and aren't educated well.

Jim Jones made his goal.

Okay, I'm a bit off course.


Some of this is the times we live in. We are paid less because there are more workers available. They just keep splitting up the same amount of money for more and more employees.

You'll have to start a second business of some sort and have it work in your favor. You can't do that with the job you have. I think you need a promotion to move into the arena of less time, higher pay, more folks to delegate work to and more vacation and better benefits like profit sharing, stock options and so forth.

Hey, just some thoughts I had that I figured might have a chance of bringing a smile to your face.


ps.: On a more serious note, be glad you aren't married to a woman who is cheating on you while you are going through this. Blaming you for not being interested in her because you can't physically perform. Your mind is a mess. I was there. You would follow whomever has a decent plan. I followed my wife. At least she had some goals. Then, she was in peri menopause and I was where you are. She found younger men with higher sex drives more interesting. She finally found a guy with a better retirement plan.

Life sucks. It's a fact. Then you die. God never promised anyone life would be great. That's where most have it wrong. One thing I keep reminding myself are his words, "Pick up your cross daily...and follow me." That doesn't sound like he made any promises of abundance, unless it was an abundance of his love and mercy for us. And yes, he knows exactly how our lives will go. He is timeless.

Give yourself a break. Work on this with a counselor some. Try to have some fun, even if others tell you something will be fun and you think it will be boring. You never know.

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Yeah but there is no movement or ideal that I would want to die for. I have to have something worth believing in before I would want to die for it.
Is it about what you want or what God wants? Really, you are looking to check out, so, what does it matter? Sign on for a holy quest, and it's a free entry into heaven.
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Have you committed some offense so terrible that it can never be redeemed and your you hope to reclaim your honor by willingliy sending yourself to hell as quickly as you can?

If not, then you still have life. If that life has no value to you, then spend it on something that matters, if not to you, then to someone else. You will be dead for all of eternity, why rush it.
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Is it about what you want or what God wants? Really, you are looking to check out, so, what does it matter? Sign on for a holy quest, and it's a free entry into heaven.
I'm a devout atheist, but IF God exists, I don't think merely signing on for a "holy" quest absolves you of improper intent or motivation, given common theological views of suicide.

As a pragmatist, I think suicide is an ethical option when the pain of living consistently outweighs and offsets any joy, and there is no realistic hope of changing that balance. Suffering is not noble, nor is death. On the other hand, neither is clinging to a life without hope. How you deal with it may be inspiring, but my view is that pragmatism for you own sake is what should control the decision.

If you can continue to live and function, and make a positive difference in the world - even if it's for only one person - then you life has meaning. If the meaning outweighs the negatives, why not carry on? Otherwise, I'd say there is little point, if you can't find one within yourself.


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I haven't read all the post so this may have been mentioned already, if it was please forgive me...

Hell is temporary, so is death. Its the Lake of Fire that is forever. If your name is not found in the Lambs Book of Life then you are tossed into the lake of Fire forever. You must be saved by Jesus Christ to enter Heaven.
I am not God, so I am guessing if you are saved and commit suicide you may be tossed into Hell until the Great White Throne Judgment then allowed into Heaven. You may be in Hell a long time before set free. No one knows the end time date, so its a chance you take. Hell for you may be Depends and Lime Green Jello for thousands of years....
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All this talk of the afterlife...

Forget the afterlife, I have a life to live. I will live and love and find as much enjoyment as I can. And when I die, I'll deal with the afterlife. Until then, this life is a party and a blessing. One that I have no inherent right to.
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Thanks for all your comments guys. I have spent the day meditating and just kind of ruminating and I've come to the conclusion that my problem may be hormonal. I looked on the spreadsheet of the last bloodwork that I had done and it did not include T levels. So I'm going to get a work up done again and I will get my T level checked.

Because, despite the fact that I'm active, work out and I eat well....I feel like crap. And I know there is no other reason why I should be feeling this way. My blood pressure is good, cholesterol is good, I have no anemia or anything, but I just feel fatigued all the time and it has definitely affected my mood and outlook.

So I'm going to see my doc to see if he will refer me to a endocrinologist or virility specialist to see what the hell is wrong with me.

Thank you all again for your cogent advice. Feeling sorry for myself is not a good thing. I don't like it.
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I would like to see you enjoy your life in the meantime.
Agreed^.

Bandit, do you have any interest in sharing your life's experiences--your wisdom--with others? You've reached the "Sage Stage", taken some hard knocks, and learned from them. I suspect you have a LOT to give back.

I don't know where you live or what your career has been like, but consider volunteering some time with a local college or school to share your wisdom. I work with young entrepreneurs and occasionally find satisfaction when I give one some advice that keeps them blowing themselves and their business up.

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All this talk of the afterlife...

Forget the afterlife, I have a life to live. I will live and love and find as much enjoyment as I can. And when I die, I'll deal with the afterlife. Until then, this life is a party and a blessing. One that I have no inherent right to.
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