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post #91 of 153 (permalink) Old 09-20-2016, 02:59 PM
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Re: Will Suicide Bar Me From Heaven?

I am a minister of 16 years
Been christian counseling for 25. I have had complex partial seizures that I have had all my life . Matter of fact, I seizured all day yesterday.My right eye was put out when I was 3
I have spinal spondylosis
But my strength is in the Lord that keeps me going every day
I am a christian minister. I talk to suicidal people alot.
The Lord knows the exact second he wants you home
Do you have a true relationship with the Lord?
Do you have family,children?
Your decision will have an impact on alot of people.
I read all of the post Some don't want to answer you.
I gave a sermon on this 3 weeks ago. Only God knows
where you will go. BUT I feel that he is not through with you, even when in your eyes things look so bleak. God can at any given time do a miracle with your health,finances, what ever but you need to have faith, and forgiveness. I will check back. If you need to talk let me know.Be blessed


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I have been contemplating suicide for a year or so now. It's not something I want to do now, but I could see doing it when I'm about 60. I look at my future and it's a bleak outlook. I have been burned too many times in relationships so I do not see myself marrying or sharing a life with anyone again. I am done with women and dating....just done with it. But there are also other considerations that have been leading me towards this.

I lost my retirement when the market crashed in 2008. I have tried to build it back up but I just don't have the extra money. I pay for all my own medical insurance and I just cannot seem to get my retirement nest egg growing at the rate it needs to be. Day to day expenses for a single guy are high nowadays. I just don't see myself having any decent standard of living if I ever retire, which seems like less and less of a possibility.

I try to stay healthy and I excercise every day, but I am pretty sure I have onset arthritis. I am in pain every day with my feet and back. I wear orthotics but they don't help much. I have herniated disks, bad knees....I'm a mess skeleton wise. I am doing stretching every day, which helps a lot, but I cannot seem to get to where I feel any better. I've tried multivitamins, holistic foods, antioxidants...nothing seems to help. I see myself being pretty much stoved up completely by the time I'm 60.

My penis hasn't made an appearance in years. I see beautiful women everywhere and...nothing.

I've been examined for depression and the psychologist tells me I'm fine. I don't feel depressed...but I just don't have any high hopes for any kind of happy future or retirement. I see pain and loneliness in my future.

The only social activity I engage in is with my AA group, and hanging out with confused male alcoholics is not the most fulfilling way to spend evenings. They are good men, but my God they are messed up.

So I have been thinking about setting a term of limitation on my life. I don't really want to get old and have to have people take care of me. I have visited rest homes and...no way. Just no. I'm not spending my declining years wearing depends and eating lime jello.

I have been on a slew of Christian sites. Most say that suicide for born-again Christians like myself does not end up as a one way ticket to hell, but they do say it is a huge sin. I wonder what others here think. I know what the Catholics here will say, but I'd like perspectives from other mainstream Christains, Mormons and other religions.
Suicide may not prevent you getting into heaven(if such a place exists).However it may stop you being buried in the place you select.I have seen that happening.
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God [or luck, or any other entity of your choosing] can at any given time do a miracle with your health, finances, what ever but you need to have faith, and forgiveness.
I believe in a version of this. Where there's life, there's hope. I know too many people who thought they'd never [get a job, get healthy, find Love, etc.] and then... they did. One fellow was almost 50 when he found the love of his life. You just never give up.
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Not sure how man made religions will keep you from Heaven. How do you know you picked the right one? It's a crapshoot.

Sounds like you need to see a doctor who can scribe you some meds, you definitely sound depressed.
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I have been contemplating suicide for a year or so now. It's not something I want to do now, but I could see doing it when I'm about 60. I look at my future and it's a bleak outlook. I have been burned too many times in relationships so I do not see myself marrying or sharing a life with anyone again. I am done with women and dating....just done with it. But there are also other considerations that have been leading me towards this.

I lost my retirement when the market crashed in 2008. I have tried to build it back up but I just don't have the extra money. I pay for all my own medical insurance and I just cannot seem to get my retirement nest egg growing at the rate it needs to be. Day to day expenses for a single guy are high nowadays. I just don't see myself having any decent standard of living if I ever retire, which seems like less and less of a possibility.

I try to stay healthy and I excercise every day, but I am pretty sure I have onset arthritis. I am in pain every day with my feet and back. I wear orthotics but they don't help much. I have herniated disks, bad knees....I'm a mess skeleton wise. I am doing stretching every day, which helps a lot, but I cannot seem to get to where I feel any better. I've tried multivitamins, holistic foods, antioxidants...nothing seems to help. I see myself being pretty much stoved up completely by the time I'm 60.

My penis hasn't made an appearance in years. I see beautiful women everywhere and...nothing.

I've been examined for depression and the psychologist tells me I'm fine. I don't feel depressed...but I just don't have any high hopes for any kind of happy future or retirement. I see pain and loneliness in my future.

The only social activity I engage in is with my AA group, and hanging out with confused male alcoholics is not the most fulfilling way to spend evenings. They are good men, but my God they are messed up.

So I have been thinking about setting a term of limitation on my life. I don't really want to get old and have to have people take care of me. I have visited rest homes and...no way. Just no. I'm not spending my declining years wearing depends and eating lime jello.

I have been on a slew of Christian sites. Most say that suicide for born-again Christians like myself does not end up as a one way ticket to hell, but they do say it is a huge sin. I wonder what others here think. I know what the Catholics here will say, but I'd like perspectives from other mainstream Christains, Mormons and other religions.
I write as an ill-informed Catholic remembering what Priests have told me. I could be wrong, we could all be wrong. There are people who spend their time with little to wear and no lime jello to eat and are joyful at being alive.

You will get to heaven. Does it matter? Do you think you will have a fun social life? Christ did not come for you with a message to live after death, but to live before death. You are in heaven already, that is what eternal means. But you do not know it.

A sin is an error. A mistake. It is a sin as it is a huge error, it is the belief that your life has no value. You believe that because you are sinful, which means full of fear and confusion. You are going to die anyway, you can still live before then. Anthony DeMello writes about this (Catholic rather than Born-Again, but I am not sure it matters at all http://www.arvindguptatoys.com/arvin...yawareness.pdf)

I have felt suicidal. It can get better. please, message me.
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My wife and I have lost everything. We lost our home and business in one town. We moved to another town found a house. It was sold to us illegally so we lost

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That too. But we never gave up our hope in the Lord. He IS our strength and hope
But we have to try our best in him

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I am a minister of 16 years
Been christian counseling for 25. I have had complex partial seizures that I have had all my life . Matter of fact, I seizured all day yesterday.My right eye was put out when I was 3
I have spinal spondylosis
But my strength is in the Lord that keeps me going every day
I am a christian minister. I talk to suicidal people alot.
The Lord knows the exact second he wants you home
Do you have a true relationship with the Lord?
Do you have family,children?
Your decision will have an impact on alot of people.
I read all of the post Some don't want to answer you.
I gave a sermon on this 3 weeks ago. Only God knows
where you will go. BUT I feel that he is not through with you, even when in your eyes things look so bleak. God can at any given time do a miracle with your health,finances, what ever but you need to have faith, and forgiveness. I will check back. If you need to talk let me know.Be blessed


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I can do this .
Judges 9:50-54, Judges 16:23-31.
1st Samual31:2-5, 2nd Samuel 17:23
1st Kings 16:15-20
Matthew 27:3-5.
We have these in the Bible,some great people
Sampson asked for strength one last time
Judas it says repented himself.
The others were selfish. Saul still got what he didn't want.



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Bandit, getting old sucks! I've got the bad back to prove it.

Have you looked into testosterone therapy? I felt like Superman, like I was 18 again, when I was on it. My insurance didn't cover it, and I didn't go through a good doc, so I stopped it. Anyhow, I think it is worth you looking into it. It changed everything for the better for me. Everything. Except I got a little bit of acne, so that wasn't super. But my mental attitude, my physique, my virility, my sex drive, my sleep, .. everything was so much better.

I think the most interesting advice I've heard is to find out WHO we want to be. Find a role model. Don't think "I want to be in good shape", instead think "I want to be like the old guy down the street who is active and healthy at 80 yrs old".

My role model is Gene. Early one morning at the beach town we vacationed at for decades, I was standing on the sidewalk sipping a coffee watching the town wake up. From the right I see this old guy, looking every bit 80 yrs old, wearing gym shorts, t-shirt, and running shoes. He's doing that old man jogging, but getting along. Nice and tan. From the left comes Pat, one of the life guards, a woman in her early 20's, fit as all hell, wearing her bright red LifeGuard shorts and white Lifeguard T-shirt. She's running at a moderate clip, all sweaty. Gene and Pat pass right in front of me, each holding up their left hand as they pass and giving each other a high-5. She says "Hey Gene!", he says "Hey Pat!".

That's who I want to be, Gene. The old guy who is tan, still moving, and getting high-5s from the good looking women!

Who do you want to be?

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Bandit, I also want to say that I completely understand your thought process on not being institutionalized as a decrepit old man. I've said more than once that I plan to walk into the woods and sit down on a cold evening when it is my time. Will I actually be able to do that, or will I be too impaired by then? Dunno, but I do understand your thoughts.

I think you're jumping the gun too much, though. We can't know what is around the corner for us. Tomorrow may be horrible. Or we may have a pretty good quality of life for another 40 years. We can make the decision when the time comes, but we cannot predict today exactly how close that day may be. Chances are it is still decades away for you. Until then live life balls to the wall, pedal to the metal.
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You seems like a nice person. It's hard to go beyond financial devastation but I can tell you two true stories. My grandfather was wealthy but made many financial mistakes, gambled somewhat, bought properties in the wrong area and lost hundreds of thousands, a large amount in the early 60's. I just saw some old movies though. He died at 58 from a heart attack which many attributed to stress and depression. We miss him. As his grandson, I did not care about money, but would have liked to have some time with him, and his financial worth

And please do not underestimate the impact you can have on the world. I just heard of a man who had many setbacks in life but nonetheless helped at a local church I know. Today he is one of the most well-known people in the United States, having discovered the bomb left a train station and helped save many lives and apprehend a terrorist. I am sure he had less money than you, but he became a hero partly because he realized that each small step in the world can help someone.
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Pretty wholesome. No fast foods. Limited red meat, and then mostly wild game. I eat lots of oily fish and organic chicken. Loads of vegetables, fruit, legumes and I always start the day with oatmeal. I have been tested for gluten intolerance and do not have it, nor do I have any food allergies. I consume acedophilus enriched yogurt for my digestion. I also drink lots of green tea, Yerba mate kombucha. So I'm getting all the healthy microbes. No sugar. And I try to lay off the carbs as much as possible.

I probably eat too many eggs and potatoes, but I'm not giving those up.

Bandit, This is totally not adding up to your physical and mental state you described. Did you change to this diet after your physic went bad? If not, do you have found an explanation for the discrepancy?

Not to be berating, but in my world the people with all the illnesses have reasons for having the illnesses. This is absolutely a no go area in personal relation, because it lays 'guilt' on them, but there is a statistical connection in my opinion.

If there is no logical connection in traditional sense, there is the psychological research of Lissa Rankin, who learns us that a lot of physical illness is caused by psychological and relational issues which are not solved and destroy you ultimately.

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The right to die is the final and most basic freedom. I don't understand how a freedom focused people could become so invested in denying this right.
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