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The right to die is the final and most basic freedom. I don't understand how a freedom focused people could become so invested in denying this right.
Because self inflicted death isn't usually a good decision even though the person making it thinks so at the time because they're not in their right mind.

No one here can answer the question in the thread title.

Well they could but they have no way to prove it.

You really want to chance it?

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Because self inflicted death isn't usually a good decision
QFT, but not how you think. It usually isn't a good decision and it usually isn't applied. The rare instances where it occurs, well, who are you to judge whether it was a good decision.
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This is one of the three big lies used to rob persons of this right.
Lie #1 Thoughts of suicide are proof of insanity. This is used by the state to justify their position.
Lie #2 God has already determined when and how you will die. This is used by religions to justify their position.
Lie #3 Suicide is a selfish act. Ironically this is used by selfish people to get what they want.
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This is one of the three big lies used to rob persons of this right.
No one is robbing anyone of any right.

If someone wants to commit suicide they're going to do it and no one's going to be able to stop them.

It's not like a person who is about to jump off a bridge needs permission.

Suicide causes damage to loved ones especially children. It isn't always but often can be a selfish, senseless act done by a person who isn't thinking straight.

If someone's dying from a fatal disease or they're paralyzed or in severe never ending pain, well that's another matter entirely.
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Bandit, This is totally not adding up to your physical and mental state you described. Did you change to this diet after your physic went bad? If not, do you have found an explanation for the discrepancy?

Not to be berating, but in my world the people with all the illnesses have reasons for having the illnesses. This is absolutely a no go area in personal relation, because it lays 'guilt' on them, but there is a statistical connection in my opinion.

If there is no logical connection in traditional sense, there is the psychological research of Lissa Rankin, who learns us that a lot of physical illness is caused by psychological and relational issues which are not solved and destroy you ultimately.

I can only do what I can do brother. I'm a big guy with a large frame. I suffered a lot of injuries as a teenager.

I'm built like an oak tree. I exercise and work out as much as I can but it doesn't make me feel any better, so I'm thinking I either have low T or there is something wrong with me in other ways. I'm scared I may have onset rheumatoid arthritis. So I may go see a rheumatologist.

I have a meeting set up with a psychiatrist at the beginning of next month. I went through twenty before I found one who had time to see me. There must be a lot of mentally ill people in Houston!

I also have another blood panel set up for next weekend.
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There must be a lot of mentally ill people in Houston!
I wouldn't want to be the guy who tries to argue that point.

I'm glad that you're looking at solutions. Ones other than taking the great celestial dirt nap, I mean.
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I wouldn't want to be the guy who tries to argue that point.

I'm glad that you're looking at solutions. Ones other than taking the great celestial dirt nap, I mean.
It wasn't anything I was planning to do immediately. Just looking down the road twenty years.
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Theologically, I don't think any of us would have the answer.

I do, however, hope that you find what you are looking for in this life and live that out happily without anything self-inflicted.


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post #114 of 153 (permalink) Old 09-24-2016, 05:41 AM
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Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.I had a suicide in my family a few years ago the guilt that the people left behind feel is indescribable.Im not sure where you live but try and get some professional help because you sound very depressed to me.

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There are permanent problems.
Suicide is just another death.
death leaves behind stuff.
". . . and I can take or leave it if I Choose."


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Explain to me why a God, who creates each one of us with the fee will to choose salvation or not to, would then condemn a person for relinquishing life when physical pain gets to be too much to bear, and the quality of life is no longer there. If we are created with freewill, we should have the right to choose when we exit this world, and when, where and how we do so.
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I cannot say with unwavering certainty but perhaps it is a test. There are many examples in the Bible wherein God tests people. Perhaps to prove your resolve, not so much to him but maybe more so to yourself. Job was the most extreme example I can recall. Then there was Christ himself. If he had chosen suicide it would have made salvation impossible. We all have crosses to bear, perhaps it is in the bearing that we are proven.

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It wasn't anything I was planning to do immediately. Just looking down the road twenty years.
No, Bandito! In the interim, you've got a date or so with some sizeable rural Burleson County porkers waiting for you and your big gun!
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No, Bandito! In the interim, you've got a date or so with some sizeable rural Burleson County porkers waiting for you and your big gun!
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I'm left scratching my head, here, @arbitrator. Are these romantic dates, or hunting dates? The way you phrased it could apply to either.

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Bandit, This is totally not adding up to your physical and mental state you described. Did you change to this diet after your physic went bad? If not, do you have found an explanation for the discrepancy?

Not to be berating, but in my world the people with all the illnesses have reasons for having the illnesses. This is absolutely a no go area in personal relation, because it lays 'guilt' on them, but there is a statistical connection in my opinion.

If there is no logical connection in traditional sense, there is the psychological research of Lissa Rankin, who learns us that a lot of physical illness is caused by psychological and relational issues which are not solved and destroy you ultimately.
I just noticed I did not answer your question.

I have been trying to eat right and exercise for about four years now.
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