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Cool! What's this? How do you separate the two? What do you believe/not believe in? Or are you just supporting your wife etc?
I fully believe in Jesus Christ as my God.

I am technically ordained and have officiated more than a couple weddings.

I'm not impressed with western churches and practices so I stopped participating with organized religion in this country.

I still support ministries over seas and visit churches and individuals for fellowship.

I occasionally swear, drink and watch R-rated movies and a lot of my western "brethren" have issues with that.

I also hang out with folks that would be made to feel out of place in a regular church setting.

I'm a huge advocate for extensive sex talk and education which puts me at odds with almost every church in this country.

Lots of other issues which probably wouldn't make sense unless you understood the old and new covenants.

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This is such a weird, illogical question.

I see God as a person who I have a relationship with. It would be like asking if my best friend makes me believe in my mother. It makes no sense. My relationship with God makes me believe God is real. It's about God, not anyone else.

By the logic employed in asking this question, if your husband's behavior makes you believe that God is real, then those who have awful spouses should believe that God is a made up thing.

God stands alone to answer his existence. If we look to people to decide if God is real, surely we will mostly decide that he is not, because people are not perfect or good. If we place our hope of God in humanity, we are lost indeed.

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"Are you sexualising Jesus?"

http://thekathrynjoy.com/are-you-sexualizing-jesus/

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Once I went to an institution where they had an inordinate amount of Jesus figures in various nude/semi-nude positions. I felt something was really off. All the depictions of Jesus just felt....sexual and erotic. He was half tortured, with his abs showing in rather provocative positions...

I was then greeted by a handful of priests, who appeared to be positively homosexual to me (even my gaydar could spot this). It was the most bizarre religious experience ever.
This topic reminded me of it
Do some women find Jesus...attractive? I'm curious.


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Once I went to an institution where they had an inordinate amount of Jesus figures in various nude/semi-nude positions. I felt something was really off. All the depictions of Jesus just felt....sexual and erotic. He was half tortured, with his abs showing in rather provocative positions...

I was then greeted by a handful of priests, who appeared to be positively homosexual to me (even my gaydar could spot this). It was the most bizarre religious experience ever.
This topic reminded me of it
Do some women find Jesus...attractive? I'm curious.


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Never thought of it that way. I am just drawn to the inspiration of goodness, compassion, truthfulness, etc.

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Where is your proof that religious men are more decent men than non religious? It is so naive to believe that blindly following a religion makes one person better than another. Honestly the world would be a far better, less conflicted place without religion.

But yes we will have to agree to disagree, one of us one of us is brainwashed, the other a critical thinker, the discussion is futile.
Brainwashed? I am an agnostic, so I really have no axe to grind, but since you're a "critical thinker", I suppose that you have finally found a way to prove a negative?

The best that any honest, logical, person can do is say that they simply don't know if a God or gods exist. That being as it may, calling someone who has faith "brainwashed" (as a form of mockery, no doubt) seems to prove that you're not as critical as you think you are. Some hold logic in high esteem, but yet, logic cannot explain how they can subscribe to the idea that what they cannot detect with their mere human senses must not exist, that a supreme being who reveals him/her/itself when, where, and to whom it chooses cannot exist if it doesn't reveal itself directly to them. If that were the case, then how many things didn't "exist" even a decade or so ago, only to be "discovered"?

Even so, I believe that atheists have the right to believe what they believe, and will not mock them for believing such things, as I cannot prove them wrong. Neither can they prove the religious wrong. It seems to me foolhardy to call others "brainwashed" especially when one's rule and guide is logic, when the other's guide is freely admitted to as being based on faith.

Even I, with years and years of education, have not yet come to grips with the scientific explanation as to how the universe was formed, which seems to be ever-changing, because after all, they're only theories. "In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded" (or there was something, but it was infinitely small, lol!) doesn't seem any more far-fetched than "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth".

When I was growing up, I found that many religious people were pushy, intolerant, and mocked the faithless. Now, it appears that the atheists have claimed the low moral ground. There's something grinding their gears, that's for sure.

Being an agnostic, I don't really know if I have enough faith to believe in a God or gods, but I guess that I don't have enough faith to be an atheist either.

To all of the kind people here, religious and non-religious, this has been an uplifting discussion!

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We don't act the way we do because we are told to, but because we know its the right thing to do. We also know that there is always room for improvement and we want to be better people. Yes there are many truly great and completely trustworthy people who are Christians. I have so many who I would trust completely.

I know very few men who aren't Christians who have good moral values, complete honesty and integrity. I can only think of one right now and that is is my brother.

It takes a very strong man to go against the flow of the worlds standards. A man who is completely honest. Who doesn't look at porn. Who doesn't have sex outside marriage. Who doesn't cheat on his tax returns. Who puts himself out for others. Who always treats others with fairness and decency etc etc.
There are very few men like that.
Other than having sex outside marriage I agree with everything you have said.Why is marriage such a be all and end all in your opinion.I am not married but I am honest,faithful,I don't look at porn,I don't cheat on my taxes,I donate to charity and to the church and I treat everybody with respect and dignity.But in your opinion because I am not married to my partner there is something unchristianlike about me?

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Other than having sex outside marriage I agree with everything you have said.Why is marriage such a be all and end all in your opinion.I am not married but I am honest,faithful,I don't look at porn,I don't cheat on my taxes,I donate to charity and to the church and I treat everybody with respect and dignity.But in your opinion because I am not married to my partner there is something unchristian about me?
I think marriage is HIGHLY over rated. Many Christians don't believe people are truly married if it wasn't done by a priest or minister either. It has to be done 'in the church'.

People don't get a free pass to cheat just because their marriage sucks.

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Brainwashed? I am an agnostic, so I really have no axe to grind, but since you're a "critical thinker", I suppose that you have finally found a way to prove a negative?

The best that any honest, logical, person can do is say that they simply don't know if a God or gods exist. That being as it may, calling someone who has faith "brainwashed" (as a form of mockery, no doubt) seems to prove that you're not as critical as you think you are. Some hold logic in high esteem, but yet, logic cannot explain how they can subscribe to the idea that what they cannot detect with their mere human senses must not exist, that a supreme being who reveals him/her/itself when, where, and to whom it chooses cannot exist if it doesn't reveal itself directly to them. If that were the case, then how many things didn't "exist" even a decade or so ago, only to be "discovered"?

Even so, I believe that atheists have the right to believe what they believe, and will not mock them for believing such things, as I cannot prove them wrong. Neither can they prove the religious wrong. It seems to me foolhardy to call others "brainwashed" especially when one's rule and guide is logic, when the other's guide is freely admitted to as being based on faith.

Even I, with years and years of education, have not yet come to grips with the scientific explanation as to how the universe was formed, which seems to be ever-changing, because after all, they're only theories. "In the beginning, there was nothing, which exploded" (or there was something, but it was infinitely small, lol!) doesn't seem any more far-fetched than "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth".

When I was growing up, I found that many religious people were pushy, intolerant, and mocked the faithless. Now, it appears that the atheists have claimed the low moral ground. There's something grinding their gears, that's for sure.

Being an agnostic, I don't really know if I have enough faith to believe in a God or gods, but I guess that I don't have enough faith to be an atheist either.

To all of the kind people here, religious and non-religious, this has been an uplifting discussion!
But we are all "brainwashed", to one extent or another. We believe many things because we either were brought up that way or pre-conditioned to believe them through some other means.
The way it usually works is: we observe something with our human senses and then conclude if something is real. If somebody convinced me about something I haven't seen myself, you could say that I was "brainwashed".
It's usually up to the person who states that something or someone exists to prove that it does, in fact, exist. I don't have to prove anything since I am not claiming anything.

"When I was growing up, I found that many religious people were pushy, intolerant, and mocked the faithless."

I think they were a bit more than that: https://www.quora.com/Which-religion...entire-history

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This is such a weird, illogical question.
Amen to that!

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around.

"When I was growing up, I found that many religious people were pushy, intolerant, and mocked the faithless."

I think they were a bit more than that: https://www.quora.com/Which-religion...entire-history
You must have missed the "When I was growing up" part, even though you quoted it. That is, unless you believe that I'm thousands of years old.

Regardless, how many have atheists killed? Let's see... Just in the last 100 years? Nazis, The Soviets, The Red Chinese, etc.

It's a race to the bottom, I tell you!
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I think marriage is HIGHLY over rated. Many Christians don't believe people are truly married if it wasn't done by a priest or minister either. It has to be done 'in the church'.
I was married in a casino by a reverend of some stripe or another. Does that count?

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I fully believe in Jesus Christ as my God.

I am technically ordained and have officiated more than a couple weddings.

I'm not impressed with western churches and practices so I stopped participating with organized religion in this country.

I still support ministries over seas and visit churches and individuals for fellowship.

I occasionally swear, drink and watch R-rated movies and a lot of my western "brethren" have issues with that.

I also hang out with folks that would be made to feel out of place in a regular church setting.

I'm a huge advocate for extensive sex talk and education which puts me at odds with almost every church in this country.

Lots of other issues which probably wouldn't make sense unless you understood the old and new covenants.
I am not religious despite being born a catholic,it is the hypocrisy that I can't stomach.I will tell you one thing that is one hundred percent true and anyone that doubts it is naive in the extreme.All major religions are big business and in business money is god.They all worship at the same altar and depending on where you are it is made from dollars,pounds or euros.There is always a loophole,think about indulgences.Do whatever you want all your life but attend mass in a Catholic Church on the first Friday of the month for ten months and you will see heaven,not a bad deal.The older popes sold indulgences the same as St Christopher's medals.
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I was married in a casino by a reverend of some stripe or another. Does that count?
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