st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one
 Talk About Marriage
  The Marriage Advice and Relationship Help Forums
  right
Forums - Online Counseling - For Therapists - Link to Us - Advertise  

    A Public Forum Provided by The Family & Marriage Counseling Directory
Register FAQ Community Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Navigation »Talk About Marriage »Focused Topics »Relationships and Spirituality » st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Relationships and Spirituality The place to look for faith based solutions.

Like Tree10Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 06-11-2012, 02:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
Member
 
michzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,107
Default st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

it has been difficult enough as it is to deal with, and we are definitely parting.

However, I have not found any resources for coping specifically with this kind of nonsense.

This group believes "st germain" is an ascended master and there is some idiot who channels him.

My wife has bought into it hook, line, and sinker. She even went on a secret trip to Hawaii with them.

It's so bizarre.

Anyone ever had to deal with a spouse who joins a cult?

google "awakening from within"
michzz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 02:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
Member
 
lamaga's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 2,534
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Just keep all your finances separate. She will do what she will do.
lamaga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 02:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,889
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Is there possibly more going on than prayers? As in why did they need to go on a secret trip to Hawaii to pray?
Shaggy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 02:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
Member
 
michzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,107
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaggy View Post
Is there possibly more going on than prayers? As in why did they need to go on a secret trip to Hawaii to pray?
the BS story was that the Transit of Venus was going to unleash some kind of energy that allowed them to communicate with the ascended masters and pray for the planet. Plus, they were going to swim with dolphins.

She said "God" told her to go.

It would be laughable if it were not my wife.

I told her we are through if she is involved with that group, months ago.

So I'm following through.

I'm just trying to see if anyone else has had dealing with these new age cults.

All the references I see are woefully out of date--these groups have evolved.
michzz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 02:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
Member
 
lamaga's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 2,534
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Nothing very clear on google, but that's not surprising.

As you say, the groups are evolving.

In the very best interpretation, you two are evolving on very different paths.
lamaga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 02:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
Member
 
that_girl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Wherever I lay my head.
Posts: 14,236
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Wow. Yes, make sure you have separate bank accounts and she cannot get into yours.

Most cults take money for "god".

I haven't dealt with this but my friend is dealing with her husband in a weird group...cult...whatever. It's hell. THey are separated because of it and his issues around spirituality (they married as strong christians) and they have 4 kids under 4. Just a bunch of crap to do that to your own family, I say.

Sorry your wife is so gullible. But...she'll do what she does...just protect yourself financially.
__________________

"If you were an aqua fresca, you'd be a wh0re-chata."
that_girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 02:46 PM   #7 (permalink)
Member
 
tacoma's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Florida
Posts: 5,044
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Seriously seperate your finances.

St Germain Foundation is a Catholic cult.

Is religious zealotry a property your wife has had over the course of your marriage?

This isn`t something to take lightly.
tacoma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 02:48 PM   #8 (permalink)
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,889
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Like any cult - the heart of it is they want $$$. So it's time to take that off the table ASAP.
Shaggy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 03:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
Member
 
michzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,107
Default

No, it's not related to the Catholic church.
michzz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 03:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
Member
 
michzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,107
Default

She was reared as a Mormon, but was not a member our entire marriage. This is recent.
michzz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 07:46 PM   #11 (permalink)
Member
 
michzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,107
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Quote:
Originally Posted by lamaga View Post
Nothing very clear on google, but that's not surprising.

As you say, the groups are evolving.

In the very best interpretation, you two are evolving on very different paths.
www dot awakeningfromwithin dot com
michzz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 07:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
Member
 
lamaga's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 2,534
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Mich, it doesn't matter. You don't have to convince people of anything. We're on your side!
lamaga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 07:57 PM   #13 (permalink)
Forum Supporter
 
EleGirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 10,618
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Quote:
Originally Posted by tacoma View Post
Seriously seperate your finances.

St Germain Foundation is a Catholic cult.

Is religious zealotry a property your wife has had over the course of your marriage?

This isn`t something to take lightly.
Nope, it's not associated with the Catholic Church. Their beliefs are very un-Catholic.
__________________
Surviving An Affair - What Are Plan A and Plan B? 180 for Betrayed Spouses


To Create A Passionate Marriage - Five Steps to Romantic Love His Needs, Her Needs Love Busters
EleGirl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-11-2012, 07:59 PM   #14 (permalink)
Member
 
michzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 3,107
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

Quote:
Originally Posted by lamaga View Post
Mich, it doesn't matter. You don't have to convince people of anything. We're on your side!
I just like to get it straight. I am always for the actual truth as the start for opinionmaking.

But thanks.
michzz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2012, 11:36 PM   #15 (permalink)
Member
 
KathyBatesel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Kansas City Metro area
Posts: 2,616
Default Re: st. germain cult - wife joins, says it is not one

When I was a kid, my dad's coworker had a daughter who escaped the Guyana massacre (Jim Jones of the cyanide Kool Aid.) This man confided a lot in my father, and my father talked a lot about their discussions - things that the guy had learned, things my father learned and shared with him.

I had reason to revisit the topic when my ex and I faced a severe parental alienation syndrome (before there was any information about it available).

Here's what I remember about how they get people and steps that can be taken:

Cults target people who are a bit lost about their life and/or have low self-esteem. The build rapport with them by listening to them in a way they've never been listened to before - without interruption, offering complete understanding and empathy, and then providing a promise of a solution to their problems. As the initiate starts attending meetings, they continue to pour on an unrealistic level of positive, unconditional acceptance, and exposure to people who provide testimony about how wonderful the group is. The cult begins escalating the initiate's participation until it involves overnight/weekend/longer stays, during which time they "break" the initiate's bonds with their existing support systems. This is done through methodical brainwashing - keeping the initiate sleep-deprived, hungry, and mentally exhausted, then rewarding them with small amounts of food or sleep when the initiate performs/expresses desires that are in line with what the cult desires.

As the progress continues, the initiate becomes increasingly fearful of displeasing the cult and its members. There may be threats to their safety, promises of complete rejection, or other manipulations.

Anyone who has joined a cult is a victim, in my opinion.

Back when the Jim Jones thing was going on, there was a concept called "deprogramming" that was shown to be at least somewhat effective, but proved controversial. The victims were kidnapped back by their families and subject to an equally abusive process to undo the brainwashing they'd undergone. The controversy came about because so many of the individuals were adults, and some of them remained faithful to their new beliefs. The first book on the topic of deprogramming that I'm aware of is Mind-Bending: Brainwashing, Cults, and Deprogramming in the '80s . My dad's coworker's daughter didn't die at Guyana. She managed to escape over the fence and come home, but her father used some of the information in that book to "get her back to normal." I don't know details beyond that, though.

There are more resources on cults today, both for survivors and for family members. For your circumstances, you may want to consider checking out Combating Cult Mind Control.

I'm sorry to hear this is heading to divorce for you. I believe your wife has been victimized terribly, and I hope you'll do all you can to help her.
__________________
Please visit my blog for more relationship articles and advice, or check out my latest gift and greeting card designs.
KathyBatesel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My husband is in a cult. Lioness Relationships and Spirituality 36 02-05-2013 01:38 AM
has anyone dealt w spouse in cult? michzz General Relationship Discussion 19 12-31-2012 11:26 PM
Lost my husband to a cult Dustball Going Through Divorce or Separation 4 05-28-2012 08:37 AM
Now married 30 years after cult upbringing. one wife Long Term Success in Marriage 3 09-22-2008 12:18 PM

Member Area

Find a Therapist:


Sponsor Ads





Get The Family & Marriage Counseling Directory Help Guide via Email:
Name:
Email:




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:00 PM.



Copyright 2007 - 2013 © Talk About Marriage