anyway... we have found a wonderful church that teaches the word, and in no way twists things... and are very happy with it.
how are they twisting things? cuz they are gay they twist stuff?
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DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.
exactly, thank you JDpreacher, do you take everything word for word in the Bible preso? You may just have a hate for gays, and your using the Bible to justify it.
I dont hate gays, but do not seek them out either. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM with GAY CHURCH LEADERS, as according to the bible, you have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
We are very happy with our new church, it is not a commercialized type church, trying to get new customers, but an older, established one, that teaches the word, by a leader who walks the walk.
I dont hate gays, but do not seek them out either. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM with GAY CHURCH LEADERS, as according to the bible, you have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
We are very happy with our new church, it is not a commercialized type church, trying to get new customers, but an older, established one, that teaches the word, by a leader who walks the walk.
how do they not walk the walk? even if they are for God 100%, just cuz they are gay, they are not walking the walk? and im pretty sure you have to stone the gays to death too, are you? so YOUR not following the Bible accordingly...your choosing what to use, and your choosing to hate on gays. also im pretty sure you ahve done something the Bible has said we should stone you to death for...so this is all in accordance to the CULTURE of the TIME.
and take a look at the verses above, are you going to stone someone to death for having premarital sex? prob not. why treat a gay person otherwise in a leadership position?
and i bet the gay church leader is more knowledgeable on the Bible than most other church leaders because of the hardships they have to go through just to be Christian...and it saddens me. this whole situation makes me lose faith in Christians, if they can act in such a nonloving way towards someone like this...
Not ALL Christians have that mentality, Ratty. I think the hypocritic nature of the churches I experienced as a child was the main reason I did not go to church for most of my adulthood. It was not until a year ago that we found a church locally that we were interested in trying. It's an awesome place, and the pastors and others involved in the church truly care about everyone. My kids love it there, and most of all, WE love it there. It's great to be able to have faith and not feel looked down upon by others. Don't lose faith in ALL Christians, for they are NOT all like this.
This is an interesting post and I happen to think gays/lesbians should be allowed to be leaders within churches. Personally, I just don't see anything wrong with it and I'm a recovering Catholic. My husband and I would probably disagree, but thats okay! Gays, lesbians, transgendered individuals cannot change their sexual orientation, no more than we can. They are individuals who are entitiled to the same respect, rights and dignities as others, and if that means being the leader of a church then so be it. By the same token, if you are not comfortable, and your friend is true, he or she will understand that it is not your wish to attend the church. A persons religion is a private and personal choice.
Not ALL Christians have that mentality, Ratty. I think the hypocritic nature of the churches I experienced as a child was the main reason I did not go to church for most of my adulthood. It was not until a year ago that we found a church locally that we were interested in trying. It's an awesome place, and the pastors and others involved in the church truly care about everyone. My kids love it there, and most of all, WE love it there. It's great to be able to have faith and not feel looked down upon by others. Don't lose faith in ALL Christians, for they are NOT all like this.
well its nearing all...prob close to 95% of Christians are like this and i cant understand why, and its the same here, i cannot find a church that is of true God and Jesus morals, one im at right now seems alright, but im starting to see otherwise. I may stay for a few peope though, and worry about ME and GOD, and forget about the people.
how do they not walk the walk? even if they are for God 100%, just cuz they are gay, they are not walking the walk? and im pretty sure you have to stone the gays to death too, are you? so YOUR not following the Bible accordingly...your choosing what to use, and your choosing to hate on gays. also im pretty sure you ahve done something the Bible has said we should stone you to death for...so this is all in accordance to the CULTURE of the TIME.
and take a look at the verses above, are you going to stone someone to death for having premarital sex? prob not. why treat a gay person otherwise in a leadership position?
and i bet the gay church leader is more knowledgeable on the Bible than most other church leaders because of the hardships they have to go through just to be Christian...and it saddens me. this whole situation makes me lose faith in Christians, if they can act in such a nonloving way towards someone like this...
The bible is pretty clear about homosexuality and leadership. I prefer to go by the word, not someones twisted version of it.
You should worship as you please.... as will I.
Pains me to see how many people have no idea of what God wants from us. New age followers have lost their ability to think and use good judgement.
If a celebrity started praying to a sneaker or car tire, everyone else would be doing it too. Its downright crazy.
Seems to me the new age followers are the only ones thinking - everyone else is toeing the same line that has been taught for thousands of years. You aren't using your judgment - your basing it off of what you have been taught - from a religion that sees it as black and white.
I don't believe God to be black and white - its why I have an issue with most organized religions - if I happen to interpret a line from the bible differently than another I'm a heretic and unworthy of being in their presence. Because we know God said "Love thy neighbor - as long as they agree with you". I'm a firm believer in God will deal with each of us and our sins when we get to heaven - why do we have to put people through hell here on earth trying to do his job for him.
Seems to me the new age followers are the only ones thinking - everyone else is toeing the same line that has been taught for thousands of years. You aren't using your judgment - your basing it off of what you have been taught - from a religion that sees it as black and white.
I don't believe God to be black and white - its why I have an issue with most organized religions - if I happen to interpret a line from the bible differently than another I'm a heretic and unworthy of being in their presence. Because we know God said "Love thy neighbor - as long as they agree with you". I'm a firm believer in God will deal with each of us and our sins when we get to heaven - why do we have to put people through hell here on earth trying to do his job for him.
That is why there are so many churches, so everyone can find a place. Your in luck as the new agers are building up lots of new churches that cater to the whims and popularity of certain demographic groups as they can build their buisiness telling them what they want to hear.
I'm so glad to find a church that doesn't do that.
Churches are like dating was... there is one for everyone.
Seems to me the new age followers are the only ones thinking - everyone else is toeing the same line that has been taught for thousands of years. You aren't using your judgment - your basing it off of what you have been taught - from a religion that sees it as black and white.
Seems to me this kind of dismissive thinking is as off-base as knee-jerk adherence to dogma.
Casting off one yoke for a fresher one is not necessarily a thinking exercise.
No more dismissive than preso's statement that new age followers don't think.
I think it has to have some thinking involved to cast aside something you've been taught all your life for something that speaks to your soul more than the mainstream did.
I agree with preso about one thing - that's why there are so many options to choose from - each can find the one that fits them. But I just happen to like people who say AND act that way - instead of saying it and then act like you are a lesser person or condemned to hades for not agreeing with them.
I'm not a new age follower (at least I don't think I am) - I just have spirituality. I believe in treating others as I would want to be treated, to help friends, family and strangers equally when they are in need and I am able - basically to live my life to be 'good' the best I can. Everything else is up to fate.
i cannot find a church that is of true God and Jesus morals,
you do realize that god and jesus at one point killed off 99.9% of the population by drowning them because they were 'bad,' right? and need we forget that god is a 'vengeful and jealous god'. god leads his men into battle in the bible all the time- meaning he asks men, like you, to kill sinners. he actually helps them kill hundreds of people because they are sinners. i dont recall him ever asking for an "open-mind". Its more like, you're gonna die now, and then go to hell to suffer unimaginable agony for time and all eternity if you dont follow the rules. and have you actually seen the list of rules? its not only extensive, but down right contradictory at times. its like a trap. resonates with love, doesnt it?
there's a small section were christ proclaims peace, and forgiveness. very fluffy, but read revelations for a revelation (or just about any other book) on the moral of an "open-minded" god. if you cross him, he'll knock you off by sending in troops, meaning people here on earth are going to have to kill you- and its coming. Gods "angels" get to sound the horn for the torture to begin. there's a warm fuzzy feeling of acceptance for ya. God sends his angels to spread hell, fire, and damnation to burn off, drown, and otherwise torture a good portion of all the citizens. wonder who.
Not saying i believe any of it. just saying i find it interesting you want god's morals, at least how they are portrayed in the bible. Technically that means you think gays, and millions of others, are going to hell and if god asked you to kill them, you would. which obviously He as proven in the past He has no problem asking of his "saints".
thats why i never cared for the bible. it doesnt resonate with my warm fuzzies. i dont really want to kill anyone. and i dont particularly think anyones going to hell- least of all gay people. most christians dont like to think about that stuff though- not good for the peace of mind. they mostly just think about the time god said to love and forgive your neighbors.
you do realize that god and jesus at one point killed off 99.9% of the population by drowning them because they were 'bad,' right? and need we forget that god is a 'vengeful and jealous god'. god leads his men into battle in the bible all the time- meaning he asks men, like you, to kill sinners. he actually helps them kill hundreds of people because they are sinners. i dont recall him ever asking for an "open-mind". Its more like, you're gonna die now, and then go to hell to suffer unimaginable agony for time and all eternity if you dont follow the rules. and have you actually seen the list of rules? its not only extensive, but down right contradictory at times. its like a trap. resonates with love, doesnt it?
there's a small section were christ proclaims peace, and forgiveness. very fluffy, but read revelations for a revelation (or just about any other book) on the moral of an "open-minded" god. if you cross him, he'll knock you off by sending in troops, meaning people here on earth are going to have to kill you- and its coming. Gods "angels" get to sound the horn for the torture to begin. there's a warm fuzzy feeling of acceptance for ya. God sends his angels to spread hell, fire, and damnation to burn off, drown, and otherwise torture a good portion of all the citizens. wonder who.
Not saying i believe any of it. just saying i find it interesting you want god's morals, at least how they are portrayed in the bible. Technically that means you think gays, and millions of others, are going to hell and if god asked you to kill them, you would. which obviously He as proven in the past He has no problem asking of his "saints".
thats why i never cared for the bible. it doesnt resonate with my warm fuzzies. i dont really want to kill anyone. and i dont particularly think anyones going to hell- least of all gay people. most christians dont like to think about that stuff though- not good for the peace of mind. they mostly just think about the time god said to love and forgive your neighbors.
well i like to think that that is all made up for control and power purposes and that the Bible has severe human 'influence' in it and isnt the true word...but one can dream. and yes that has always troubled me. THey just never bring it up in youth groups, or church...so i had forgotten about that, i meant the good qualities lol...im gonna have to think about this....its agood point
The bible is pretty clear about homosexuality and leadership. I prefer to go by the word, not someones twisted version of it.
You should worship as you please.... as will I.
can you stop avoiding the question and tell me how its TWISTED?
Re: new church= homosexual preacher/ pastor 
