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Old 02-10-2011, 08:47 AM   #196 (permalink)
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Just another opinion here.

I enjoy porn - I am drawn to it and I believe most men are. I don't indulge in it very often - and I've certainly never given it THIS much thought. Fascinating thread as you are both very passionate, articulate and persuasive.

Ian - you may be right.

Trenton - you may be right.
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I won't post anything more about porn. Clearly it bothers me and I took it too far. I apologize to those I offended and will just agree to disagree.
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:15 AM   #198 (permalink)
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I won't post anything more about porn. Clearly it bothers me and I took it too far. I apologize to those I offended and will just agree to disagree.
Oh, come on, don't give up Brennan

At least check out my update on my other porn thread
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Old 02-10-2011, 09:35 AM   #200 (permalink)
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Brennan/Trenton,

Apology accepted. Don't think 2x about it.

But I have to ask Draguna's question - what about what I said made you so angry to lash out at me, insulting I was lonely?

It's very common, being a Moderate Libra all of my life, to have the two extremes lash out at Moderates, even having more respect for each other, than a person who straddles the fence. If you read my posts, I do make a point that males are abusing young and unready females in this industry and even Ian can't convince me otherwise.

. .anyway. . .I think, if I recall, is what I was saying is that pornography has an educational quality about it.

Do you and Trenton take issue with that? I mean beyond those "soft porn" couples videos showing different positions in a robotical type of format.

I mean, "standard porn", if there is a standard.

Having a good (operative word - good) performer showing cunnilingus, how a woman tends to rock vs. thrust when on top, and other "technique issues" (like I mentioned kissing). .. even just how a man "takes a woman" during sex. . .I was just sharing - it was porn that gave me what I have in my armamentum as a lover.

Not the Church.

Not Talk About Marriage.

Not Dad.

Not my dumbbutt buddies in the lifeguard lockerroom when I was younger.

Porn.

You want to know what? Personally, I think it sucks if you want to be a student of sexuality, you have to turn to porn. But that's all there was for me and I imagine a lot of men.

And guess what? It's on men. Yup. It's all on us as you women lie back, spread you legs and "get prepared" for the main event.

I was just saying, "Give us an instruction manual" (or tutor) and I bet porn production and consumption drops. Totally eliminated? I doubt it.

I am trying to find a commonground between the two activist sides here.

Even now, I am still continually fascinated by women and their sexual desires and the wide variety of them. The woman I with - she wants everythign to be so gentle, so sensual. . .then there are these married women at work who constantly talk about getting a big **** and having their legs hoisted back behind their ears and getting pounded.

So even that "rough porn" seems to have something instructional to say about female sexuality.

I say if women want some change on this, they are going to literally have to take the penis into their own hands, not talk to a politician. Gawd.
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:18 AM   #201 (permalink)
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Yup, agreed. My gf, while sexually open doesn't really tell me what she wants. She doesn't really know. She writes erotic fiction and they are really good. So I really have to read them closely to know what her current mood is, while checking porn also teaches me new stuff we try once in a while.

Anyway, Brennan, please don't go. Like miss Hall once said a loooong time ago: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

And I do actualy approve of what you say, just don't agree. I like your viewpoint and how you stay your course. Just wish you could understand ours (not agree).

Either way, what I'd like to really get your opinion on, is hentai. From the normal stuff (like Darling) to the more hardcore (Bible Black), tentacle stuff and homosexual stuff (yuri and yaoi hentai).
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The debate in the thread is fine. We are just reminding those posting to keep it polite. No blood, no foul.
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Old 02-10-2011, 10:41 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Porn is ok, I enjoy it more when I'm single, than when I'm dating or in a committed relationship.
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Yup, agreed. My gf, while sexually open doesn't really tell me what she wants. She doesn't really know. She writes erotic fiction and they are really good. So I really have to read them closely to know what her current mood is, while checking porn also teaches me new stuff we try once in a while.

Anyway, Brennan, please don't go. Like miss Hall once said a loooong time ago: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

And I do actualy approve of what you say, just don't agree. I like your viewpoint and how you stay your course. Just wish you could understand ours (not agree).

Either way, what I'd like to really get your opinion on, is hentai. From the normal stuff (like Darling) to the more hardcore (Bible Black), tentacle stuff and homosexual stuff (yuri and yaoi hentai).
While the cartoon stuff is not my cup of tea, I would find it hard for anyone to object to their spouse looking at cartoon sex. That said, I am not sure if this stuff gets really violent.
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While the cartoon stuff is not my cup of tea, I would find it hard for anyone to object to their spouse looking at cartoon sex. That said, I am not sure if this stuff gets really violent.
Yeah, ok, real turn off for me as well. But I guess if it gets some people off, why not. It's a good out.

Not to hijack your topic, but what about cartoon child pornography (so no real children harmed)? I do not like it, but I really think that if it keeps certain people from abusing real children, it is al ok. Any opinion on that?

Just to point out, I read a research once (will have to look it up, seemed somewhat reliable, didn't read in depth) that the % of rapists vs men who like women is about the same as the % of child rapists vs total amount of pedophiles.
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Not to hijack your topic, but what about cartoon child pornography (so no real children harmed)? I do not like it, but I really think that if it keeps certain people from abusing real children, it is al ok. Any opinion on that?
That is where I was heading. My only boundaries on porn (cartoon or real) is child and extreme violence/real non-consensual.

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Just to point out, I read a research once (will have to look it up, seemed somewhat reliable, didn't read in depth) that the % of rapists vs men who like women is about the same as the % of child rapists vs total amount of pedophiles.
Either too many percentages or not enough caffeine...can't wrap my head around that one... and I am a finance guy.
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Yeah, ok, real turn off for me as well. But I guess if it gets some people off, why not. It's a good out.

Not to hijack your topic, but what about cartoon child pornography (so no real children harmed)? I do not like it, but I really think that if it keeps certain people from abusing real children, it is al ok. Any opinion on that?
Absolutely against that. Even if it's cartoons. The very idea alone

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Just to point out, I read a research once (will have to look it up, seemed somewhat reliable, didn't read in depth) that the % of rapists vs men who like women is about the same as the % of child rapists vs total amount of pedophiles.
They probably meant "vs total amount of suspected pedophiles". That percentage was probably extrapolated.
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That is where I was heading. My only boundaries on porn (cartoon or real) is child and extreme violence/real non-consensual.



Either too many percentages or not enough caffeine...can't wrap my head around that one... and I am a finance guy.
Heh, well, meant that the ratio of rapists vs normal men is actually equal to the ratio of sexual child abusers to all pedophiles.
So was wondering. If it animation and helps them stay off real children, is it still a bad thing?
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Absolutely against that. Even if it's cartoons. The very idea alone



They probably meant "vs total amount of suspected pedophiles". That percentage was probably extrapolated.
Agreed that it was probably extrapolated, read it 2 years ago, forgot all details so will not be speaking about the validity of the 3 studies.

Just saying, I'm not talking about cartoon porn in which a child is raped, never seen those. Talking about stuff with loli characters. (consenting)

I have to agree that cartoon child rape would freak me out more than loli characters.

Either way, lets stop this here. It's just me liking to debate stuff, this is out of the scope of the topic and marriage.
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