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Great, wouldn't want anyone to change their opinion because some guys and a few gals said that they disagreed. Would be a bit wishy-washy.
Hope we did get you understanding us a bit though. I'd say most of us did understand you two...I think... You know, I don't know actually At least some I think.
Changing your opinion if given great, factual information that is not based upon what one deems experience and personal desires is not wishy-washy, it's great! *hint* *hint*
Great, wouldn't want anyone to change their opinion because some guys and a few gals said that they disagreed. Would be a bit wishy-washy.
Hope we did get you understanding us a bit though. I'd say most of us did understand you two...I think... You know, I don't know actually At least some I think.
Apparently I was not understood at all as the question was asked on another thread if I dislike porn/ever watched it. I thought I made it crystal clear that I dislike COMMERCIAL porn and the abuses/drugs/violence/degredation that comes with it. I have no issue whatsoever with amateur porn and I watch that often with the hub!! I have no idea how that got so misunderstood. Eh, no sense in crying about it now.
I do think it's important to provide the opposite viewpoint on issues like this though because otherwise it's just a bunch of people saying...Yeah! I agree!
Changing your opinion if given great, factual information that is not based upon what one deems experience and personal desires is not wishy-washy, it's great! *hint* *hint*
Woman, are you trying to manipulate how I feel about this? This is an OUTRAGE!!!
Nah, but you are right. But just switching isn't correct as well (probably means you didn't have an opnion anyway). Experience, empathy, morals and values can affect what you think about a subject. It is not wrong to have them weigh heavily on a subject like this. e.g. abortions.
P.S. I love people who like to discuss stuff with me, sure most was with Ian, but he kinda posted what I was thinking, so felt as if you two were debating me. Except in that case I would have lost the debate after first 3 posts :P
I'm very aware of the phenomenon -- although, if anything, it's more advanced than that.
Y'all probably don't pay a lot of attention to things like advances in cybernetics and materials engineering and such, but thanks to a number of important breakthroughs recently, we're about eight years away from being able to build a fully-independent robotic frame with skin realistic enough to pass muster. It's not all latex, believe me. Imagine skin that is as soft or as rough as you ask it to be, and which can change colors on command. Imagine algorithms that can mimic emotional human behavior with appropriate responses so complex that you won't be able to distinguish it from a human. It always knows the right thing to say, and it's AI is sophisticated enough to pick up on your non-verbal cues and say the exact right thing to you every time. A partner who always wants to do exactly what you want to do. Ever-hard penises. Vaginas that vibrate, massage, and caress during intercourse. "Your plastic pal who's fun to play with" could be a hot Latin dude with bulging pecs, perfect abs, and who always wants to listen about how your day went, or an ever-slender, always-horny perpetually 19 year old sex kitten who loves playing World of Warcraft and thinks Star Wars is just the coolest movie EVER.
It's coming. You can tease me about it, but it's a far, far more serious threat to the well-being of interpersonal relationships than you give it credit for. In twelve to thirteen years they'll be able to pass the Turing test. After that, they'll be virtually indistinguishable from real humans at a casual glance.
No more child sexual slavery -- probably not much prostitution, either, unless you count machines you rent by the hour. But not much incentive for the average man to make much of an effort to woo the average woman, either. When you can order a stone fox off the internet and have your every female ideal filled to your specifications, real human beings will have a very hard time competing with that.
So was the idea of free porn getting piped into every home in America, 24 hours a day, back in 1985. Impossible. As laughable as having star-treky computer pads where you could watch TV anytime, anywhere, and you could carry them around. Or a magic electronic book that instantly allows you to buy and read any newspaper or book anywhere you want. Crazy, crazy stuff. Sci-fi stuff. Never happen, right?
Ian,
Interesting thoughts all around. I hadn't thought about it taking the place of child sexual slavery or prostitution. That would be fantastic but I doubt that is possible. In many parts of the world girls are abducted in to the sex trade so they are literally free to the abductor. Others are sold for as little as $500. I cannot imagine somebody who would kidnap children for their own profit being willing to plunk down the amount of a Honda. I wish it could happen but I doubt it.
Something else you mentioned about it taking the place of human relationships, don't we all also crave the human aspect. Emotions, true love, empathy and compassion. How would a robot be able to express these? I understand a robot being used for sex, I get that. But taking the place of interpersonal relationships?
It's actually a hobby interest of mine. I began reading sci-fi books as a kid. Now that sci-fi is becoming a viable possibility. It's impossible to predict where the technology will go.
My point to you was that it's sad that you mention Japan developing a sex bot. I admit it was relevant to your case (sort of) but it negates the beautiful intricacies of authentic interaction as well as miscounts the many other more important uses for robots.
Still, having robots get rid of child slavery and non Fair Trade practices will have its own consequences. There is a reason they allow themselves to be treated so poorly, it's because they need the money. Our economy and ways of undervaluing poor humans in general would really have to shift for it to be done properly. Do you have faith in the leaders of wealthy nations to be careful with this shift?
The second piece on robots not so interesting, I actually found it humorous. Watch the first, it's talking more about the possibilities for future use. It's much like stem cell research and cloning. As technology becomes more and more advanced we must be careful with how we use it.
Mmm. . .I am not sure "pacification", "placation" and "indulgence" via cartoons or robots is the answer to the child molestation perversion, although I appreciate the liberal slant once again of TAM.
That's the rub with perversions like that - it starts with this, evolves to that, the perpertrator is never satisfied. That can be the rub with "vanilla porn."
Something tells me statistics would be unchanged with the inventions of this, perhaps maybe be even made worse, as society would give a "stamp of approval" for leaning that way.
That being said, it would probably be a little beneficial to society to at least try to understand this problem rather than just send the perpertrator to prision, where he'll undoubtedly be killed at the hands of thugs. Try to figure out why a person does this or even entertains thoughts of it. I suppose it's been studied, but not widely talked about because it then humanizes the perpetrator, which is hard to do.
Complicating matters in our society is a child is not a child is not a child.
We got that lecture when i was beach lifeguarding from the captain. You'd have 14 year old "girls" approach you, who pretty much looked like fully blossomed "women", ready to go. In looks. In body. In demeanor. In pheromones.
You do that nowadays and you are on a list the rest of your life and unable to live within 100 yards of any school. I pretty much pass the message onto my sons that women/girls are helpless and unable to decide until age 18.
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And maybe I seem a bit confused. . .but maybe, I got you pegged! Ha! Don't know what to do about those tossed salad and scrambled eggs. . .they're posting again. Scannerguard has left the building.
It's actually a hobby interest of mine. I began reading sci-fi books as a kid. Now that sci-fi is becoming a viable possibility. It's impossible to predict where the technology will go.
Not impossible. I'm a sci-fi writer, and I do it all the time. I've even been correct, a fair amount of times. That's why I'm up on the sex-bot thing, because like internet porn, no one will be paying attention until it's too late, and you can get a Sexbot for $10,000 FOB and never have to worry about impressing a girl again.
If anything, I'm underplaying the potential devastation to human sexuality that could arise.
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My point to you was that it's sad that you mention Japan developing a sex bot. I admit it was relevant to your case (sort of) but it negates the beautiful intricacies of authentic interaction as well as miscounts the many other more important uses for robots.
But when societal rules for authentic interaction become too challenging, as they have in Japan, then you have a population of men who have to devote a significant amount of time, energy, and resources to negotiate the rules and many of them (if not most) will simply opt-out. Right now they're doing it with porn, sophisticated masturbators and occasional trips to brothels, because honest interaction between men and women is just a hell of a lot harder. When you can order a robotic geisha who will never, ever judge you, no matter how you look or what you do, for the same price as a cheap wedding that is going to be an irresistible draw for Japanese men. And when American men get a chance to try them out . . . well, how many Sony Walkmans got sold?
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Still, having robots get rid of child slavery and non Fair Trade practices will have its own consequences. There is a reason they allow themselves to be treated so poorly, it's because they need the money. Our economy and ways of undervaluing poor humans in general would really have to shift for it to be done properly. Do you have faith in the leaders of wealthy nations to be careful with this shift?
The same leaders who have such a good handle on global climate catastrophe?
No, the Robot Boom, when it comes in a decade or so, is going to do to the third world economy what the computer boom did to the first-world economies. Over-all productivity will rise dramatically . . . and they'll be able to fire 1 in 3 workers.
And that's the thing. Imagine the $10k basic model sexbot. Talk about a perfect 24 hour a day prostitute with no danger of disease, pregnancy, or a methed-up pimp stabbing you in the kidney. You'll be able to rent these things 24 hours a day. Need a date for Saturday? SexBot 2000 model "Asia" will come by at 6:00, programmed to watch you eat your dinner and laugh at your jokes, and then indulge you in any sexual whim at all, for around $100.00. The best possible programmed companionship and the kinkiest sex you can imagine, guaranteed. Whatever you're into, she's into.
Why take a chick out who's just going to grill you about your finances and aspirations and then judge the hell out of you while she's in the bathroom and then stalk you when you don't call within 24 hours when you can relax with a SexBot? And if they can cook, too . . .
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The second piece on robots not so interesting, I actually found it humorous. Watch the first, it's talking more about the possibilities for future use. It's much like stem cell research and cloning. As technology becomes more and more advanced we must be careful with how we use it.
We won't be. We rarely are. Especially not about entertainment-oriented technology, especially not where sex is concerned. Legally and ethically speaking, a SexBot would just be a big vibrator, even though it can walk, screw, and is fluent in over two million forms of communication. Once the Japanese perfect it (and they will) and sell it to us (and they will) then the genie will be out of the bottle.
But when societal rules for authentic interaction become too challenging, as they have in Japan, then you have a population of men who have to devote a significant amount of time, energy, and resources to negotiate the rules and many of them (if not most) will simply opt-out. Right now they're doing it with porn, sophisticated masturbators and occasional trips to brothels, because honest interaction between men and women is just a hell of a lot harder. When you can order a robotic geisha who will never, ever judge you, no matter how you look or what you do, for the same price as a cheap wedding that is going to be an irresistible draw for Japanese men. And when American men get a chance to try them out . . . well, how many Sony Walkmans got sold?
This is already happening in the West. Today's teenagers are much more comfortable and actually choose to communicate with their friends via facebook, text messages etc. rather than doing the actual real life, face-to-face socializing. Sexbots would just be their next best thing.
Ultimately, what will happen is that all you folks who couldn't imagine free porn in 1985 will get bored with your sexbots and want an "actual" person. But I wonder if it will be considered a fetish. You know, like someone who is excited by shoes? Posted via Mobile Device
Saw a documentary on a guy who had a closet full of blow up dolls that cost anywhere from $7k - $20k each (OK I watch A LOT of documentaries heh). He was a complete anti-social person who was afraid of women. The entire piece left me sad and I thought, well he may have an outlet for his penis to cum in but his sadness and inability to associate with women for the joy that comes from intimacy and family remains.
Scanner, would never suggest robot for child sex abusers. We were talking relief from child slavery in work force which I wouldn't suggest either unless there are things in place to support and enable the success of the children enslaved.
reaching shore, I have a fourteen year old and can vouch that even with social media and technology, she still behaves like a 14 year old. I'm also a huge fan of social media and internet interactions. None of them limit my ability to have a fulfilling real life. They are more of an enhancement.
So, let's say that's what the robot becomes...a side by side enhancement. Perhaps it won't be the negative predicted then. Although getting through the hurdle of a wife having hurt feelings because it feels like the husband is cheating on her with a living doll, could be a problem.
Re: Erotica = Smut = Porn 
At least some I think.
