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For interests sake here's an article about violence and video games.
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Psychologists Produce First Study On Violence Desensitization From Video Games
ScienceDaily (July 27, 2006) — Research led by a pair of Iowa State University psychologists has proven for the first time that exposure to violent video games can desensitize individuals to real-life violence.
Nicholas Carnagey, an Iowa State psychology instructor and research assistant, and ISU Distinguished Professor of Psychology Craig Anderson collaborated on the study with Brad Bushman, a former Iowa State psychology professor now at the University of Michigan, and Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam.
They authored a paper titled "The Effects of Video Game Violence on Physiological Desensitization to Real-Life Violence," which was published in the current issue of the Journal of Experimental Social Psychology. In this paper, the authors define desensitization to violence as "a reduction in emotion-related physiological reactivity to real violence."
Their paper reports that past research -- including their own studies -- documents that exposure to violent video games increases aggressive thoughts, angry feelings, physiological arousal and aggressive behaviors, and decreases helpful behaviors. Previous studies also found that more than 85 percent of video games contain some violence, and approximately half of video games include serious violent actions.
The methodology
Their latest study tested 257 college students (124 men and 133 women) individually. After taking baseline physiological measurements on heart rate and galvanic skin response -- and asking questions to control for their preference for violent video games and general aggression -- participants played one of eight randomly assigned violent or non-violent video games for 20 minutes. The four violent video games were Carmageddon, Duke Nukem, Mortal Kombat or Future Cop; the non-violent games were Glider Pro, 3D Pinball, 3D Munch Man and Tetra Madness.
After playing a video game, a second set of five-minute heart rate and skin response measurements were taken. Participants were then asked to watch a 10-minute videotape of actual violent episodes taken from TV programs and commercially-released films in the following four contexts: courtroom outbursts, police confrontations, shootings and prison fights. Heart rate and skin response were monitored throughout the viewing.
The physical differences
When viewing real violence, participants who had played a violent video game experienced skin response measurements significantly lower than those who had played a non-violent video game. The participants in the violent video game group also had lower heart rates while viewing the real-life violence compared to the nonviolent video game group.
"The results demonstrate that playing violent video games, even for just 20 minutes, can cause people to become less physiologically aroused by real violence," said Carnagey. "Participants randomly assigned to play a violent video game had relatively lower heart rates and galvanic skin responses while watching footage of people being beaten, stabbed and shot than did those randomly assigned to play nonviolent video games.
"It appears that individuals who play violent video games habituate or 'get used to' all the violence and eventually become physiologically numb to it."
Participants in the violent versus non-violent games conditions did not differ in heart rate or skin response at the beginning of the study, or immediately after playing their assigned game. However, their physiological reactions to the scenes of real violence did differ significantly, a result of having just played a violent or a non-violent game. The researchers also controlled for trait aggression and preference for violent video games.
The researchers' conclusion
They conclude that the existing video game rating system, the content of much entertainment media, and the marketing of those media combine to produce "a powerful desensitization intervention on a global level."
"It (marketing of video game media) initially is packaged in ways that are not too threatening, with cute cartoon-like characters, a total absence of blood and gore, and other features that make the overall experience a pleasant one," said Anderson. "That arouses positive emotional reactions that are incongruent with normal negative reactions to violence. Older children consume increasingly threatening and realistic violence, but the increases are gradual and always in a way that is fun.
"In short, the modern entertainment media landscape could accurately be described as an effective systematic violence desensitization tool," he said. "Whether modern societies want this to continue is largely a public policy question, not an exclusively scientific one."
The researchers hope to conduct future research investigating how differences between types of entertainment -- violent video games, violent TV programs and films -- influence desensitization to real violence. They also hope to investigate who is most likely to become desensitized as a result of exposure to violent video games.
"Several features of violent video games suggest that they may have even more pronounced effects on users than violent TV programs and films," said Carnagey.
I believe the same can be said of porn and I have allready posted info on how it does in fact do this very thing and change people's brain.
If we are unchanged by things we see and view why does violence not shock us? Why is it so MEH, why does the violence against women and degradation of women in porn not shock us? Because we are desensitized, we are sheep BAAAAA.
So the term "MORE" is what is insulting. When I say more, I am usually thinking of health care. The poorest of the poor get it completly free (I'm not saying they shouldn't) , but as soon as you get a job, even if you can barely live on the income, you loose the health care. This shouldn't be, those people are poor too (not Middle class though).
I should not have used the term "Middle class", I am not even sure what that is, probably making over $70,000 a year for a family of 4 maybe? I have experiences with the very poor myself. I've have met prostitutes, even lived with a man, when visiting my Mother in my youth who was a murderer -released from Prison. I have seen the devestation, walked among it in a very big city, sat & listened to her many stories, but I have also observed their "choices" along the way. Many of them choose wild living over other paths, but the choices were there.
We are probably considered low income with a family as large as we are, husband makes a little less than $50,000. We dont get any help because we manage our money wisely & carefully. I came from a home where I didnt always get lunch money, wasn't wanted there, Step Mom wanted my dad to herself, and told when I left I was not to come back. I guess I am just a "pull yourself up by the bootstraps type of person". I had to be or what would have become of me. I learned from all of my mothers BAD choices in life how not to live. She had more priviledge than me, also more love at home.
You ask Are they not exactly the same as me and deserving of the same things? My answer to that depends - if they are going to go out and waste it on drugs, booze & cigarettes. I'd say NO. I would not give a homeless man or woman cash.
Of coarse there are plenty of wonderful people who are born in poverty, and many good people in this world like yourself who are looking out for them. I may not be the most religious person these days, but many who find themselves in really hard times find lasting friendships and acceptance within these buildings, they are treated the same, a place of belonging.
I feel this country is blessed because we do have many caring wonderful people - so what is the answer? Seriously, what can solve this? Your feeling ashamed in the food line, is it enough to bring some of these people home & crash at your house?
What is the answer Trenton. You say Love them, have compassion, give them an education (I think they all get this ) and food, shelter (none is starving in America, this is the nation of obesity). The Foster care system is a disgrace, the parents, in my opionion, have far TOO MANY RIGHTS, too many chances to get their lives together, while their innocent children suffer years upon years. So many could be saved from this pain , adopted at an earlier age into a loving home, but instead grow up terribly dysfunctional, tossed to and fro.
What is the answer? Can we make/inforce these people to live right? We can only offer them what we are already offering them. What more can we give them? I am not one who will make endless excuses for people who continue to make bad choices once they are of age. A lot of it is untreated mental illness too, another whole problem in society.
I know this is off topic and it's my fault because I went there so I hope y'all don't mind me continuing
First, free healthcare means clinics with a very small amount of doctors willing to take the small fee's medicaid/medicare will pay. It does not mean choice.
Second, educational opportunity is based upon income. This is because the poorer you are the less likely you can afford to live in a public school district where the education is up to par. Couple this with disillusioned teachers, corrupt administrations and parents that don't care or don't have the time to care and you get a crappy education.
Third, the answer is not more money given to welfare programs or given to school districts that under perform.
Fourth, middle class...ah me. My husband makes about $60k and we live in a wealthy area. It is very tight budgeting and balancing. Ironically, we want for nothing. My children get to attend the best schools, live in a safe neighborhood that has wonderful family oriented events and the beach is less than a mile walk from our house. We pay $600 a month for our health insurance. Sigh. Taxes are horrible. NJ is not a cheap state to live in. I will say right now that we're not the norm. Money is really only important to me in that we need it to provide for our family. With each purchase I make, I always think, ahha...I'm no happier than I was before this purchase. DUH! I'd much rather be taking our extra cash and investing it into positive change for the world. I'm not the norm though and so I've accepted this but I still find it frustrating.
I know life is what you make it. I know you think that if you can do it, anyone can do it or that you can only feel sorry for people for so long...self responsibility is important. The problem is that society is reliant on the poor as scapegoats. Everyone cannot be middle class or rich.
Lastly, the answer is the children. You cannot leave a helpless child in an environment of poverty, drug abuse, addiction, crime and less than adequate education and expect them to suddenly overcome and become high functioning, well balanced adults. If this happens it is the rarity rather than the norm.
In NJ we have what is called Abbott School Districts, created after legislation that ruled children living in poverty receive less than adequate education than children who don't. The problem with this is millions is sunk into these school districts and little improvement is seen. Tax payers are angry and the students in these school systems are still failing miserably.
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The foster care system is over burdened in all states in the US, across the board. This safety net where most children from the worst circumstances end up, is poorly run and over burdened. Advocacy for children that have had the worst happen to them is almost non-existent, foster care families in well to do areas are just as non-existent.
What is the answer? All adults stepping up to the plate and caring for more than their family and their direct communities. A government bureaucracy will never solve the problems of the human condition. Couple this with declaring that these children undoubtedly deserve better. Programs that empower children and teach them that they are worthy of being themselves, that they have choices, that education is available if they work for it, that they, too, deserve to live the life of their dreams.
We talk about abuse. We all know at this point that I've had some share of abuse as a child. It is absolutely NOTHING compared to what I have seen in the lives of children in foster care. It is so tiny that it makes me feel ridiculous for feeling sorry for myself at all. My parents are wealthy and I was raised within this wealth. Some in my extended family are extremely wealthy...they struggle with issues of alcoholism that allow them to wither away in their big, perfect houses. Perhaps this is one of the major reasons that I realize wealth does not equal happiness at all. It instead gives off the appearance of success. Oh but how jaded our ideas of success really are.
A few years ago myself and a few others began a program Journal to Graduation. It was similar to the Freedom Writer's Foundation...which you can watch the movie which chronicles the experience and teaching of Erin Gruwell. FWF Home - Freedom Writers Foundation
Programs like these are the answer. I fully believe in the power of non-profits but until more people care about issues that are real without bias, and get out and volunteer...create and connect with children in these circumstances, broad sweeping change will not be possible.
In NJ we have an organization called CASA. It is the best darn organization I have ever worked with. Volunteers from the community sign up for a minimum one year commitment to advocate for a child in foster care. They have access to all the files and go to court with only the child's best interests in mind. They also look for resources for their child. It has a 93% success rate in changing children's lives. It's impossible to get a real peak into the lives of any of these children and not want to stand up for them.
Imagine that!
So, my point is...until we all care enough to step up and take part in changing the lives of children in these circumstances, until we SHOUT that these children are worthy of more than they have been handed from birth...yes, the cycle will continue.
What organizations receive the most funding in the U.S.? The answer is medical NGO's (Non-Government Organizations). Why is this? It's because anyone who knows someone they love who suffers with or has had a medical issues, such as breast cancer, is willing to step up and shout on their behalf. They become a band of pink unity willing to do whatever it takes to cure this horrible cancer that affects so many women. Billions and billions of funds, but more importantly, a loud, unified and resounding voice that screams for a cure.
Do children who are born in the worst of circumstances deserve this band of support any less?
It's time we step up and shout on the behalf of those without the ability to give themselves a voice. You want change, complaining about free healthcare amongst the poor won't do a thing to change it. I promise. I know exactly where you're coming from. I've felt exactly like you but the more information, education and actions I took towards understanding what was going on...the more clear it became.
Trenton, I think you need to go into Politics, this is where you're heart is at. Go make that difference. All good stuff.
I guess my only contribution is: When I was in school, and when I meet people, I seem to gravitate towards the Underdog, been told this a # of times by others who have noticed. I NEVER look at somene's social status, means nothing to me. But I AM guilty of looking at their choices in life. And I teach my kids to be KIND to all children who are beaten down in school, appear to have no friends. To be their friend, not to worry about the stigma -because sometimes all it takes is ONE GOOD FRIEND in life who sticks by you -helps with that self -esteem that has been destroyed at home- to change your life & set you on a good path, enabling you to make better choices.
One of my closer friends is a woman who was released from Foster Care as the youngest child -allowed to be adopted, 2 of her siblings died by the hands of her natural parents, 4 others escaped . She has fared the best of them all -maybe because she was the youngest, less to remember, and got that "good" home.
My son just learned of his hiring for a Summer Camp this summer where he will be a Counselor working with these type kids, all inner city with many problems. He lives to make a difference in people's lives, more so than me but his influenece is all about "Jesus". I know they need more than that.
SA,
Your husband and mine sound alot alike. They really do.
I don't view all porn as bad. I view commercial porn as bad. I have no issue with amateur stuff of a couple filming themselves. None.
I think that you have a VERY healthy relationship and that is awesome!!
Can you also understand a bit of what Syrum is saying however?
Yes, I can. I do not care for the Black & white mentality of her judgments upon ALL men. She has a Fundamentalist mindset with this issue. It is futile for me to even express my thoughts - she is right, WE ARE WRONG.
Further, she believes we should have no right to view it - we are belittled as compassionless objectifiers damaging innocent women around the globe, damaging ourselves, our marraiges, society, even our minds can not escape subtle harm. This is her firm belief. This is NOT mine, not for all men. I do not in any way deny or would spit in someone's face that many men abuse porn, wives suffer due to addictions. I am even against hard core, I think it goes too far, more regulations should be on the internet even. But instructional videos, I have zero issues with such things -where consenting adults choose to take part.
My husband does NOT objectify women , nor look down on them. Sure he likes a little eye candy, this is the nature of testosterone. My husband is a lower test guy, for me this tells me he is hormonally healthy & thriving, He is such a good guy, that I accually ENJOY seeing this "bad boy" part of him. And beings I used to be like a NUN, he likes that I am naughty as well - and we are completely & utterly monogomous. Takes nothing away from our marraige. If you knew us personally, you would SEE and believe.
And now, Syrum is throwing out the hypocrite card asking if any men would want their mothers, sisters or daughters doing porn. Much arsenol there. Crucify us. I asked my husband this morning, he admits immediately then he is a hypocrite. I guess me too. As if any of us are NOT in one area or another. Come now.
Given she also finds Romance novels harmful, I can assume sexual fantases of any type are also within this hurtful damaging realm. This is completely over the top for me personally. Her fiance should make note of these things for their future together, lest he dare have a wayward thought & express it. Better not be checking out another woman in her presence - He will be in the dog house for some time.
Lord, we should be shot, we visit Strip Clubs too. A male friend of mine is dating a stripper, she is an elementary School Teacher, 38 yrs old & enjoys her job on the side, she is putting her oldest through college with this cash. She talked with us at lenght one night. Seems very sincere but I can't help but wonder if she is USING HIM ! He spends alot of money on her! Women use men too. To throw that out of the equation entirely- in every instance, for me, is just wrong. Women choose to do these things for $$$, lots of it and fast. It comes from their own mouths.
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It hasn't influenced your husband's mind but it can and does influence younger more impressionable boys/men. I read an article a while back that polled teenage boys who said the first time they saw an actual naked woman, they were shocked and slightly repulsed.
I am assuming what you mean here is these porn women look like Barbie -shaply size 3's, then when they get together with their girlfriends naked (who else would they be looking at naked?), they are disappointed- repulsed seems rather severe to me. If they are not repulsed by their looks with clothes on, there is no way I would believe suddendly they would be repulsed taken off. (other than they may not be used to the hair -looking at porn today).
Not really sure why it would be any different for us woman, I like the looks of a slender man, and would choose to marry one, obesity would be repulsing to me. But God made all types, I have a male friend who CHOOSES and loves Plus size women, I will never forget him giving me a drive somewhere yrs ago, looking down & seeing his "Plumpers" magazine in the floor- (Plus sized porn)- he has no interest in Hugh Hefners bunnies. But he still enjoyed his little bit of porn, though his flavor was not easy to come by. Another good husband, faithful father, even into some of these politics we talk about. Also another hypocriet I guess as he does not even allow his young daughters to wear sleeveless shirts.
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On the flip side, many of these boys/young men talked about not feeling adequate. They didn't have the same size equipment as the men in porn. They failed to realize that a large penis isn't what matters but in porn, she is screaming because of it. How is this healthy?
I asked my husband about this -just this morning. He was only into PLAYBOY, reading articles and enjoyed the layouts of women, he said they never had pictiures of the men's penis's in these magazines. That was always hidden. He would not have cared to look anyway. He is not into even seeing the man in porn. So he had no comparisons. I seriously doubt these things would bother him anyway. Life is riddled with temptations to compare - from our houses, our jobs, our hairstyles, our children, our cars, our marraiges, how is this anything new under the sun.
I believe the same can be said of porn and I have allready posted info on how it does in fact do this very thing and change people's brain.
If we are unchanged by things we see and view why does violence not shock us? Why is it so MEH, why does the violence against women and degradation of women in porn not shock us? Because we are desensitized, we are sheep BAAAAA.
To be honest, I think you need a tinfoil hat. It has been showed so many times video games have little effect if any. NOT to mention its the parents that need to man up and do there part.
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Yes, I can. I do not care for the Black & white mentality of her judgments upon ALL men. She has a Fundamentalist mindset with this issue. It is futile for me to even express my thoughts - she is right, WE ARE WRONG.
Further, she believes we should have no right to view it - we are belittled as compassionless objectifiers damaging innocent women around the globe, damaging ourselves, our marraiges, society, even our minds can not escape subtle harm. This is her firm belief. This is NOT mine, not for all men. I do not in any way deny or would spit in someone's face that many men abuse porn, wives suffer due to addictions. I am even against hard core, I think it goes too far, more regulations should be on the internet even. But instructional videos, I have zero issues with such things -where consenting adults choose to take part.
My husband does NOT objectify women , nor look down on them. Sure he likes a little eye candy, this is the nature of testosterone. My husband is a lower test guy, for me this tells me he is hormonally healthy & thriving, He is such a good guy, that I accually ENJOY seeing this "bad boy" part of him. And beings I used to be like a NUN, he likes that I am naughty as well - and we are completely & utterly monogomous. Takes nothing away from our marraige. If you knew us personally, you would SEE and believe.
And now, Syrum is throwing out the hypocrite card asking if any men would want their mothers, sisters or daughters doing porn. Much arsenol there. Crucify us. I asked my husband this morning, he admits immediately then he is a hypocrite. I guess me too. As if any of us are NOT in one area or another. Come now.
Given she also finds Romance novels harmful, I can assume sexual fantases of any type are also within this hurtful damaging realm. This is completely over the top for me personally. Her fiance should make note of these things for their future together, lest he dare have a wayward thought & express it. Better not be checking out another woman in her presence - He will be in the dog house for some time.
Lord, we should be shot, we visit Strip Clubs too. A male friend of mine is dating a stripper, she is an elementary School Teacher, 38 yrs old & enjoys her job on the side, she is putting her oldest through college with this cash. She talked with us at lenght one night. Seems very sincere but I can't help but wonder if she is USING HIM ! He spends alot of money on her! Women use men too. To throw that out of the equation entirely- in every instance, for me, is just wrong. Women choose to do these things for $$$, lots of it and fast. It comes from their own mouths.
I am assuming what you mean here is these porn women look like Barbie -shaply size 3's, then when they get together with their girlfriends naked (who else would they be looking at naked?), they are disappointed- repulsed seems rather severe to me. If they are not repulsed by their looks with clothes on, there is no way I would believe suddendly they would be repulsed taken off. (other than they may not be used to the hair -looking at porn today).
Not really sure why it would be any different for us woman, I like the looks of a slender man, and would choose to marry one, obesity would be repulsing to me. But God made all types, I have a male friend who CHOOSES and loves Plus size women, I will never forget him giving me a drive somewhere yrs ago, looking down & seeing his "Plumpers" magazine in the floor- (Plus sized porn)- he has no interest in Hugh Hefners bunnies. But he still enjoyed his little bit of porn, though his flavor was not easy to come by. Another good husband, faithful father, even into some of these politics we talk about. Also another hypocriet I guess as he does not even allow his young daughters to wear sleeveless shirts.
I asked my husband about this -just this morning. He was only into PLAYBOY, reading articles and enjoyed the layouts of women, he said they never had pictiures of the men's penis's in these magazines. That was always hidden. He would not have cared to look anyway. He is not into even seeing the man in porn. So he had no comparisons. I seriously doubt these things would bother him anyway. Life is riddled with temptations to compare - from our houses, our jobs, our hairstyles, our children, our cars, our marraiges, how is this anything new under the sun.
I wish I could post as well as you did. I am just horrible with words.
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Honestly, we can argue and post links until the cows come home. We will never reach a consensus on The Great Porn Issue. This dead horse has been flogged in this forum. It's like trying to reach an agreement about abortion.
I never read romance novels because I would rather think of ways to keep the romance alive in my OWN life, rather than escape into an unrealistic fantasy world.
Porn is something that I enjoy, as long as it does not involve children or animals. While its true that sex workers have usually survived sexual abuse, the same could be said for promiscuous women, who are NOT being forced to sleep around.
I think that porn (or romance novels) only become a problem if they are taking away from marital sex. Otherwise, it can even enhance a couple's sex life. I grew up with 3 boys, so I accept that men are visual and watching porn does not mean that their partners are not loved. Posted via Mobile Device
I figure there is no need to be offended at Syrum's opinions. It's her own opinion that she is entitled to.
The only whatchamacallit beef I have is this (recurring here and there) ->
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I believe the same can be said of porn and I have already posted info on how it does in fact do this very thing and change people's brain.
There is no such thing as a scientific fact on actual brain changes caused by porn. Simply because there is no such scientific research yet.
Syrum keeps talking about effects of social media on us, about advertisers spending billions in order to change/shape/mould people's brains. That is BS. All social media does is change/shape/mould people's opinions.
You saw an ad of something during Superbowl? You begin to think it's gotta be a good product. Just because it "happened" to be featured during Superbowl.
Yes, I can. I do not care for the Black & white mentality of her judgments upon ALL men. She has a Fundamentalist mindset with this issue. It is futile for me to even express my thoughts - she is right, WE ARE WRONG.
I could say you have a fundamental exploitative mindset.
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Further, she believes we should have no right to view it - we are belittled as compassionless objectifiers damaging innocent women around the globe, damaging ourselves, our marraiges, society, even our minds can not escape subtle harm. This is her firm belief. This is NOT mine, not for all men. I do not in any way deny or would spit in someone's face that many men abuse porn, wives suffer due to addictions. I am even against hard core, I think it goes too far, more regulations should be on the internet even. But instructional videos, I have zero issues with such things -where consenting adults choose to take part.
Instructional videos for the most part was not what we were talking about that was merely one point. I am talking about porn.
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My husband does NOT objectify women , nor look down on them. Sure he likes a little eye candy, this is the nature of testosterone.
That is objectification.
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And now, Syrum is throwing out the hypocrite card asking if any men would want their mothers, sisters or daughters doing porn. Much arsenol there. Crucify us. I asked my husband this morning, he admits immediately then he is a hypocrite. I guess me too. As if any of us are NOT in one area or another. Come now.
I see nopthing wrong with asking that question, it just shines a big light on the truth of this issue and how women are not respected and are in fact used. i try not to be a hypocrite if I can help it, porn is one area, I can do something about it.
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Given she also finds Romance novels harmful, I can assume sexual fantases of any type are also within this hurtful damaging realm. This is completely over the top for me personally. Her fiance should make note of these things for their future together, lest he dare have a wayward thought & express it. Better not be checking out another woman in her presence - He will be in the dog house for some time.
Obviously what I have said has struck a chord with you and you are becoming defensive. I was not attacking any one elses relationships not asuming anything about your husband or wives.
But my fiance is on here perhaps you could ask him about how I feel about sex and fantasies. caring about women and human rights does not a prude make.
Moreover yes I would be hurt if he was checking out other women in front of me, just as he would be hurt if I was checking out other guys. we respect each other and focus on our relationship, and it's working pretty good so far. thanks.
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Lord, we should be shot, we visit Strip Clubs too. A male friend of mine is dating a stripper, she is an elementary School Teacher, 38 yrs old & enjoys her job on the side, she is putting her oldest through college with this cash. She talked with us at lenght one night. Seems very sincere but I can't help but wonder if she is USING HIM ! He spends alot of money on her! Women use men too. To throw that out of the equation entirely- in every instance, for me, is just wrong. Women choose to do these things for $$$, lots of it and fast. It comes from their own mouths.
I have known strippers and prostitutes too but their stories are not so rosy.
I figure there is no need to be offended at Syrum's opinions. It's her own opinion that she is entitled to.
The only whatchamacallit beef I have is this (recurring here and there) ->
There is no such thing as a scientific fact on actual brain changes caused by porn. Simply because there is no such scientific research yet.
Syrum keeps talking about effects of social media on us, about advertisers spending billions in order to change/shape/mould people's brains. That is BS. All social media does is change/shape/mould people's opinions.
You saw an ad of something during Superbowl? You begin to think it's gotta be a good product. Just because it "happened" to be featured during Superbowl.
Your opinions are developed by what you see and hear. Your opinions change from a change in your brain and how you view and process information and make sense of your world. This comes from society and everything that happens to you, and every message you get unsubtle and subtle. Overwhelmingly from social media, we are now saturated with it.
OK Syrum. I just saw an ad on TV. The ad is about this new KoolAid kinda thing. I decide it sounds great. And I am going to get it.
So that means while coming back home from shopping, I should visit my friendly neighborhood lobotomist. Because my brain grew a Kool tumor.
Oh wait.. Maybe it's the other way around.. My brain grew a tumor.. and That's why I have a compulsion to go out and buy KoolAid.
I think this post shows you don't understand what I was saying. I allready stated that one thing isn't likely to make a radical change to society, it is the accumulative effect.
And I believe companies spend money for a reason, perhaps because they have been shown it works? Or do you think billion $ companies enjoy wasting money?
Can we just agree on not using this word -> "fact" ?
No I think it's pretty obvious how society and our brains work.
If it didn't work that way we would be stagnant and unchanging. All societies would function the same, the norms would be the same, the brain would process things exactly the same way and everyone would hold the same opinion.
If porn doesn't change you in the way you view women, then let me ask you why is being bald/very little down there now the only acceptable grooming? It wasn't because a bunch of women woke up one day and thought "Hmmmm, I'm bored" and grabbed sheers. It was/is because that is what men have expected from their partner BECAUSE of porn. Same goes for anal although not as mainstream....yet.
So true about the "bald" thing! I have a girlfriend who is a cop and she said that almost all the women she has had to strip search over the last several years are totally bare.....she's asked quite a few why they took it all off and the answer on every occasion has been "it's what (their) men prefer".
And it's not just men it affects....it starts with young boys. I first realised how serious the porn in society problem was when my (then) 13 year old daughter asked me about arse bleaching - one of her girlfriends was talking about wanting it done because her boyfriend didn't like the colour of hers.
13 years old....how incredibly sad that she was already sexually active but even more sad that she was prepared to change herself simply to make a boy happy. Where did he get the idea from?
Up until that point I was fairly blaze about the whole porn thing - I wasn't in to it personally but thought each to their own. In fact I actually worked for 12 months designing & building porn websites for the web design company I worked for. I had become so desensitised to it all that the people in the videos and photos were no longer people....they were "great boobs"..."big c*ck"...."good cum shot" etc. etc.
But when it came knocking at my door in the form of my teen daughter already being faced with the kind of body-image pressure that it can cause....well, I couldn't remain a fence sitter any longer. I stopped doing the websites and started becoming more aware of the effects porn is having in our world...her world.
I know there will always be people who will find ways to justify the use of porn - they have to....it makes them feel okay about using it. If they don't look at it with a social conscience then they don't have feel responsible for the bigger picture.
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