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If they work together or have contact the affair is ongoing. She wants a separation to spend it with her lover. You aren't getting any because she isn't going to cheat on him. You don't count.
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Quick question about this weekend... She was going to leave the state (just about a 2 hour drive) to spend it with her brother and his friends because he always throws a big party around this time of year.. We've known it was coming and it was understood that I was sitting this year out due to circumstances.. She just told me if I want to accompany her... That I can go... Should I take this as progress and go try to have a good time.. Or use this to implement the not caring anymore strategy and tell her I'm going out with friends instead?
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Your passivity makes you look weak, pathetic, and needy.

You're like a stray dog following her around begging her for a pat on the head. That is SO unattractive.

This is what she's learned about you - she can cheat on you, lie to your face, disrespect you to the core, act as though you've got the plague because she's now repulsed by your touch, treat you like you're a non-entity, tell you she's no longer in love with you - and there you are, begging for crumbs from her and seeing some piteous afterthought of an invitation for you to go to her brother's as some kind of 'progress.'

You've swallowed your pride and your dignity and have become this sniveling little emotional mess who has absolutely no power at ALL over your situation. You've allowed yourself to be treated like sh*t every single day and let HER call all the shots because you're so damned afraid to lose this supposed prize that you married.

So very, very unattractive.

You can call me 'mean' all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

You need to man the hell up, find your pride, find your dignity, and stop cowering in fear and helplessness while she walks all over you and tells YOU how things are going to go. You're doing the "pick me!" dance and it's about the most degrading and humiliating thing a BS can do.

Just stop it.
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Your passivity makes you look weak, pathetic, and needy.

You're like a stray dog following her around begging her for a pat on the head. That is SO unattractive.

This is what she's learned about you - she can cheat on you, lie to your face, disrespect you to the core, act as though you've got the plague because she's now repulsed by your touch, treat you like you're a non-entity, tell you she's no longer in love with you - and there you are, begging for crumbs from her and seeing some piteous afterthought of an invitation for you to go to her brother's as some kind of 'progress.'

You've swallowed your pride and your dignity and have become this sniveling little emotional mess who has absolutely no power at ALL over your situation. You've allowed yourself to be treated like sh*t every single day and let HER call all the shots because you're so damned afraid to lose this supposed prize that you married.

So very, very unattractive.

You can call me 'mean' all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

You need to man the hell up, find your pride, find your dignity, and stop cowering in fear and helplessness while she walks all over you and tells YOU how things are going to go. You're doing the "pick me!" dance and it's about the most degrading and humiliating thing a BS can do.

Just stop it.
Please tell us what you really think, SSGI.

Just giving you a hard time. You make great, spirited posts.

OP, please consider what she is saying here. It could help you.

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Quick question about this weekend... She was going to leave the state (just about a 2 hour drive) to spend it with her brother and his friends because he always throws a big party around this time of year.. We've known it was coming and it was understood that I was sitting this year out due to circumstances.. She just told me if I want to accompany her... That I can go... Should I take this as progress and go try to have a good time.. Or use this to implement the not caring anymore strategy and tell her I'm going out with friends instead?
If you want to accompany her that you can go?

Where is your self-love in this?

This isn't humble and hoping if you accept... this is subservient, placing yourself in an extremely unmindful pecking order, no equal respect here.

Not knowing how much she shares with her brother or his friends, if they know anything it will be only what she has shared they will probably see you in many unkind ways... you will feel left out, one would expect she'll not fake the way she feels (and if she does, then she is playing you in a game of the worst way with worrisome motivations), and it will be painfully obvious where you stand in an element you will be unable to easily remove yourself from... this is a lose-lose scenario at best.

It seems you've lost the person you love and are willing to subjugate yourself to try to keep something, anything, grounded while chasing your self-respect all over the place trying to see if it will land again.

Funnily enough, the only way to get all things self again is to quit chasing them and be up front... unless she is willing to go to counseling you will have to make your own decisions and outcomes. Of course, this may not surprise her, you did essentially tell her you really didn't love her.

Now you may really love her, but unfortunately when we send mixed messages, we don't get to choose which ones are believed.

Stop and breathe... you may think your approach is working, but I really wonder if you are seeing what you want, or the actual environment around you.
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Your passivity makes you look weak, pathetic, and needy.

You're like a stray dog following her around begging her for a pat on the head. That is SO unattractive.

This is what she's learned about you - she can cheat on you, lie to your face, disrespect you to the core, act as though you've got the plague because she's now repulsed by your touch, treat you like you're a non-entity, tell you she's no longer in love with you - and there you are, begging for crumbs from her and seeing some piteous afterthought of an invitation for you to go to her brother's as some kind of 'progress.'

You've swallowed your pride and your dignity and have become this sniveling little emotional mess who has absolutely no power at ALL over your situation. You've allowed yourself to be treated like sh*t every single day and let HER call all the shots because you're so damned afraid to lose this supposed prize that you married.

So very, very unattractive.

You can call me 'mean' all you want. It doesn't change the truth.

You need to man the hell up, find your pride, find your dignity, and stop cowering in fear and helplessness while she walks all over you and tells YOU how things are going to go. You're doing the "pick me!" dance and it's about the most degrading and humiliating thing a BS can do.

Just stop it.

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It's not so much how this might look to your wife, or anyone else. What's important is the effect it has on you -- how you feel about yourself, how willing you are able to look yourself in the eye and see yourself honestly and with acceptance.

The value of detaching from her, setting firm and clear boundaries and following through with consequences when she is outside the lines, is that you can independently have respect for yourself and continually define who you are -- that is, regardless of her choices.

It's true that happens to be more attractive (at least to would-be partners that are mentally healthy and mature, and capable of loving you back). But, that's not the main thing. (Not saying SSGI said that it was. Just thought it worth emphasizing.)

"We are only here briefly, and in this moment I want to allow myself joy." -- Amy, from Spike Jonze's "Her"
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You really need to realize that once a woman falls out of love--- it's unlikely it's coming back.
If there's something I learned the hard way (and also didn't listen to when I first came here... in 2008), it's this.

FWIW, OP, my first marriage was similar to yours - dating since we were teenagers, together 7 years, then married. Right around year 3 of the marriage, things really took a turn for the worse, but it lasted another 4 after that. But - same issue as you, just took her longer to get to the point that your wife has gotten to. Or more likely, that much longer for her to find a man she would leave for This was pre-smartphones and pre-Facebook and social media, so I didn't catch her the way you caught your wife. It was only speculation for me. She had a good life at that point, so leaving would have been detrimental to her in many ways, so she stuck around, despite her no longer loving me. C'est la vie. Once she found someone she'd actually leave for, and could provide her with a similar lifestyle, she did. Be lucky your wife is being upfront about her feelings now, rather than waiting for wholly selfish reasons.

So consider yourself lucky in that respect - at least your wife is calling it now, rather than stringing you along for several more years. Years that I can't get back.

The hardest part for me (and it will be for you, if it isn't already) is that the person you've known for so long, and knew when you and they were so young, is rejecting you in this way. Rejection isn't easy regardless of age, or how many years you've known someone, but when the starting point was 15, or 16 or 17 years old, and you've subsequently gone through high school, prom, college, and starting careers and moving out - all with each other - it makes it that much more difficult. How could the person you've spent, essentially, half your life with do this to you? All those monumental life stages? All those 'new' things, and adventures, and future plans that will no longer happen?

And given that you two were 15 when you started dating, it's likely you had little or no experience with the opposite sex before each other. That makes it even worse. She's all you know. And unfortunately, she has the desire to know others.

And that was the gyst of my ex-wife's issues - she knew only me. She had other relationships before me, but nothing that lasted more than a few months. Typical teenage relationships. At the time we got together, I had dated somebody for 3 years, and had a few other short relationships afterwards, so I had "experience". She didn't have this. So when things occasionally get boring (as they inevitably do in long term relationships), the easy way out is to wonder what it's like with other people, and to start to fantasize about it.

My ex wife will hit this point again, if she hasn't already. AFAIK, she's still with the man she ultimately left me for. Things will get boring and stagnant there, too, and you settle into 'same old, same old'. But now she has experience with this, where she had none before. Much like where your wife is currently at.

In all honesty, your best and only hope is to talk to her about this in that way. My ex wife had a mid-life crisis of sorts at 30 - she even admitted that. Having really known only me and wondering if "this was it". After years and years of her and my friends (and siblings) starting new relationships, and the general excitement that goes with that, and the adventures they had, and the heartbreak and emotions, to come home to the same old, same old, day in, day out, same face, same routine - it's easy to start resenting someone, even blaming them for their stagnant life. And blame me she did. "You stole my 20's from me!" was a direct quote at one point.

So long (looong) story short - there's nothing you can do, or could have done, to avoid this. Very few people, IMO, are actually cut out for long term relationships when they start at such a young age. There's almost a biological urge to see what's out there, and otherwise get it out of your system before you settle down. It's hard to see the people you're around going through all the adventures (good and bad) while you've already settled down with someone, and life has become somewhat stagnant. It's hard to be 30 years old and every single adventure and story you have involves your partner.

Now, the girl I dated when we were teenagers for 3 years before I met my ex wife - we're now married. We came full circle. We broke up for the same reasons - 'what else is out there?' At the time, I didn't have the desire to know what else was out there, but she did. And ultimately, she was right. She knows what I went through with my ex wife, and we both realized that had we stayed together, it probably would have been the exact same scenario - one or both of us would have desired to know what else there was in life. So fortunately, we both were able to find that out for ourselves, and the answer (in our case, any way) was 'not much'. Of course we both had great experiences and adventures and we also had bad experiences and even traumas - but we learned things we otherwise wouldn't have, and we're both very thankful for that in the long run.
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Not knowing how much she shares with her brother or his friends, if they know anything it will be only what she has shared they will probably see you in many unkind ways
Her family actually knows the whole story (because I told them.. She left the EA out and only told them about the arguement) and take my side on things.. They have expressed their dissappointment to her.. So not worried about feeling like an outcast... And yea at times I do feel embarrassed about the situation and things that I am putting myself through... But sticking up for myself shouldn't have to mean filing for divorce... I think I will try and have a good time this weekend... Then tell her when we get home she needs to agree to counseling (I think it would benefit her to talk to someone besides me about the ENTIRE situation) or transfer out of her facility... Something to prove she's really in this other than just "letting me try" to fix it... This probably doesn't belong in this thread anymore so if admin knows how to switch it feel free
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Are you seeking professional help? You need to ask yourself important questions. Can you love her the way she is now, can you be healthy around her mentally and emotionally, do you value yourself, if not her personality, do you love her because you are afraid of something different or her level of attractiveness?

Love is not enough to fix anything and it takes work on both ends and work on one's self to maintain a long-term relationship. Also, sounds like you got oneitis. Because you lack relationship experience, the mind can play tricks on you. She is the love of your life because she has been the only person you have been with for a long time. If things were more optimal for your wife, she would have likely left you for her boss if her boss were a different person with different circumstances. I think you should find your own self-identity without your wife because you need value without her. She should not be your world, she should orbit around you and vice versa.

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Her family actually knows the whole story (because I told them.. She left the EA out and only told them about the arguement) and take my side on things.. They have expressed their dissappointment to her.. So not worried about feeling like an outcast... And yea at times I do feel embarrassed about the situation and things that I am putting myself through... But sticking up for myself shouldn't have to mean filing for divorce... I think I will try and have a good time this weekend... Then tell her when we get home she needs to agree to counseling (I think it would benefit her to talk to someone besides me about the ENTIRE situation) or transfer out of her facility... Something to prove she's really in this other than just "letting me try" to fix it... This probably doesn't belong in this thread anymore so if admin knows how to switch it feel free
Have you talked to her about why she had the EA? What needs in her the OM was meeting that she felt you were not?

If you could start meeting them, that could go a long way towards lessening her attraction to other men. Kind of like "affair insurance."

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Have you talked to her about why she had the EA? What needs in her the OM was meeting that she felt you were not?

If you could start meeting them, that could go a long way towards lessening her attraction to other men. Kind of like "affair insurance."


"Support and appreciation" we're things that she felt like she was not getting enough of... At the beginning of this she said those are the only things she needs in a relationship but it was too late for those things to matter from me... that was 4 months ago and we still aren't divorced.. So I'll just keep using the time I'm given to show her these things and hopefully her walls will slowly drop (which is what I'm trying to believe the small steps in contact and time together are examples of)
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"Support and appreciation" we're things that she felt like she was not getting enough of... At the beginning of this she said those are the only things she needs in a relationship but it was too late for those things to matter from me... that was 4 months ago and we still aren't divorced.. So I'll just keep using the time I'm given to show her these things and hopefully her walls will slowly drop (which is what I'm trying to believe the small steps in contact and time together are examples of)
Yep, just keeping working at it. Patience and persistence can go a long way towards reviving her attraction.

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"Support and appreciation" we're things that she felt like she was not getting enough of... At the beginning of this she said those are the only things she needs in a relationship but it was too late for those things to matter from me... that was 4 months ago and we still aren't divorced.. So I'll just keep using the time I'm given to show her these things and hopefully her walls will slowly drop (which is what I'm trying to believe the small steps in contact and time together are examples of)

That would not work if she does not first respect you. What about her own end, did she meet your needs before your marriage imploded? Were you happy prior to her EA as well? Did she meet your needs in a reasonable way but you failed on your own end first or did the two of you neglect the health of the relationship.

You can show her support and all, but if she sees you less of a man, she will never get that spark back. If you wife were to gain 200 lbs and smelled funny, you lose that spark towards her. Perception is attraction whether on a physical level, mental and emotional one. You may be an attractive guy but your self-confidence may have more value in keeping her less attractive towards you.

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What are you two doing to improve the marriage? Have you read His Needs Her Needs together? Have you filled out the Emotional Needs and Love Busters questionnaires so that you both know how to please the other and what bad things to avoid? Are you spending 10 to 15 hours a week together doing the things you did when you were dating? Are you having a 'state of the marriage' meeting every month to safely discuss how it's going and how it can be improved? Have you apologized for what you said and asked her how you can make up for it? Do you brag about her to other people? Do you talk regularly about everything under the sun, so that you get to know each other better (the new, adult versions)?

There are many ways to come back to that point. But it takes work.
It takes more than work.

It takes forgiving. YOU MUST BE ABLE TO FORGIVE HER. FORGIVE NOW, AND FOREVER. CAN YOU DO THIS? YOUR MEMORY OF THIS WILL HAUNT YOU FOR THAT AFOREMENTIONED "FOREVER".

Yes, she disconnected from you because of the things that Turnera listed. But she is a big girl. Why is it that only a man owns the role of romancer? Actually, I know the answer......because, "That is the Way it Is". Women expect this. Our culture pushes this. Women's psyche's are formed this way.

It may not be fair, but if a man wants a women, he better learn how to dance.

You two argued a lot. But you were not arguing with yourself in the mirror. No, you were arguing with her. She owns half of that behavior because she participated in it. She did not try to diffuse this behavior "either". Or did she?

On these texts; how much love was shown to OM? Did she proclaim love, or affection? Were they sexual in nature? Or were they merely "friendly" and teasing? Were they the dancing with words, words that would lead to the bedroom? This would be Key to Me.

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If there's something I learned the hard way (and also didn't listen to when I first came here... in 2008), it's this.

FWIW, OP, my first marriage was similar to yours - dating since we were teenagers, together 7 years, then married. Right around year 3 of the marriage, things really took a turn for the worse, but it lasted another 4 after that. But - same issue as you, just took her longer to get to the point that your wife has gotten to. Or more likely, that much longer for her to find a man she would leave for This was pre-smartphones and pre-Facebook and social media, so I didn't catch her the way you caught your wife. It was only speculation for me. She had a good life at that point, so leaving would have been detrimental to her in many ways, so she stuck around, despite her no longer loving me. C'est la vie. Once she found someone she'd actually leave for, and could provide her with a similar lifestyle, she did. Be lucky your wife is being upfront about her feelings now, rather than waiting for wholly selfish reasons.

So consider yourself lucky in that respect - at least your wife is calling it now, rather than stringing you along for several more years. Years that I can't get back.

The hardest part for me (and it will be for you, if it isn't already) is that the person you've known for so long, and knew when you and they were so young, is rejecting you in this way. Rejection isn't easy regardless of age, or how many years you've known someone, but when the starting point was 15, or 16 or 17 years old, and you've subsequently gone through high school, prom, college, and starting careers and moving out - all with each other - it makes it that much more difficult. How could the person you've spent, essentially, half your life with do this to you? All those monumental life stages? All those 'new' things, and adventures, and future plans that will no longer happen?

And given that you two were 15 when you started dating, it's likely you had little or no experience with the opposite sex before each other. That makes it even worse. She's all you know. And unfortunately, she has the desire to know others.

And that was the gyst of my ex-wife's issues - she knew only me. She had other relationships before me, but nothing that lasted more than a few months. Typical teenage relationships. At the time we got together, I had dated somebody for 3 years, and had a few other short relationships afterwards, so I had "experience". She didn't have this. So when things occasionally get boring (as they inevitably do in long term relationships), the easy way out is to wonder what it's like with other people, and to start to fantasize about it.

My ex wife will hit this point again, if she hasn't already. AFAIK, she's still with the man she ultimately left me for. Things will get boring and stagnant there, too, and you settle into 'same old, same old'. But now she has experience with this, where she had none before. Much like where your wife is currently at.

In all honesty, your best and only hope is to talk to her about this in that way. My ex wife had a mid-life crisis of sorts at 30 - she even admitted that. Having really known only me and wondering if "this was it". After years and years of her and my friends (and siblings) starting new relationships, and the general excitement that goes with that, and the adventures they had, and the heartbreak and emotions, to come home to the same old, same old, day in, day out, same face, same routine - it's easy to start resenting someone, even blaming them for their stagnant life. And blame me she did. "You stole my 20's from me!" was a direct quote at one point.

So long (looong) story short - there's nothing you can do, or could have done, to avoid this. Very few people, IMO, are actually cut out for long term relationships when they start at such a young age. There's almost a biological urge to see what's out there, and otherwise get it out of your system before you settle down. It's hard to see the people you're around going through all the adventures (good and bad) while you've already settled down with someone, and life has become somewhat stagnant. It's hard to be 30 years old and every single adventure and story you have involves your partner.

Now, the girl I dated when we were teenagers for 3 years before I met my ex wife - we're now married. We came full circle. We broke up for the same reasons - 'what else is out there?' At the time, I didn't have the desire to know what else was out there, but she did. And ultimately, she was right. She knows what I went through with my ex wife, and we both realized that had we stayed together, it probably would have been the exact same scenario - one or both of us would have desired to know what else there was in life. So fortunately, we both were able to find that out for ourselves, and the answer (in our case, any way) was 'not much'. Of course we both had great experiences and adventures and we also had bad experiences and even traumas - but we learned things we otherwise wouldn't have, and we're both very thankful for that in the long run.
One of your best posts! A lot to digest.

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