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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 03-08-2017, 03:37 PM Thread Starter
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You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

I saw the following article and thought it interesting and relevant to sex and marriage.

I guess good genes, confidence, high regard among her friends and income are important to a woman's satisfactory (and orgasmic) sex life.

Sort of puts all those MW Davis and Glover "Get a Life" recommendations in perspective. Get fit, handsome, confident, make her girlfriends think you are hot stuff and build your career become a high probability path to rocking her world in bed.


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Female orgasms may be a tool created by nature to capture the sperm of men with “good genes”, according to scientists.

Which means if you’re not making your girlfriend orgasm your DNA may just not be desirable enough.

Women’s bodies actively differentiate between men with good genes and men without, and an orgasm is a physical reaction designed to retain preferential sperm, according to the scientists.

“The proactive nature of female sexuality,” was noted by the experts........

Women mated to more attractive men reported an orgasm during a greater proportion of copulations than did women mated to less attractive men,” according to the scientists.

“Female coital orgasm may be an adaptation for preferentially retaining the sperm of males with ‘good genes.’”.........

Confidence and attractiveness also led to far more female orgasms.

The study found: “How often women experienced orgasm as a result of sexual intercourse was related to their partner's family income, his self-confidence, and how attractive he was.”

Friend’s opinions also have a marked effect on women’s orgasms.

”Those with partners who their friends rated as more attractive also tended to have more intense orgasms,” the study found.

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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

Did this study actually look at the DNA of men to see if they had superior DNA? Are looks and income/accomplishment the only measurements of superior DNA?

The study makes sense to a point. But the statement of the conclusion is rather weird.

Let's first look some of the primary things that attacks men to women: looks are apparently #1. Then comes what he things/feels about her.

Does this mean that a man's orgasm is a trick used by the bodies of men to select which women he passes on his genes to?

Note that a woman does not have to orgasm to get pregnant. Or to say that female orgasms are a trick by the bodies of women to weed out the genes of less desirable men makes little sense.

Now if one wanted to say that women would be more likely to orgasm during sex with a man that she considers more desirable (good looking, accomplished, etc.), yea that makes sense. It's because just like with men, women prefer sex with partners that they find highly desirable.
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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

I think the researchers were confused after watching 50 Shades. The researcher's wife asked to, "orgasm and cum tied up in jeans" but the guy obviously wasn't listening and heard, "orgasm tied to genes and income."

Poor guy!

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Did this study actually look at the DNA of men to see if they had superior DNA? Are looks and income/accomplishment the only measurements of superior DNA?

The study makes sense to a point. But the statement of the conclusion is rather weird.

Let's first look some of the primary things that attacks men to women: looks are apparently #1. Then comes what he things/feels about her.

Does this mean that a man's orgasm is a trick used by the bodies of men to select which women he passes on his genes to?

Note that a woman does not have to orgasm to get pregnant. Or to say that female orgasms are a trick by the bodies of women to weed out the genes of less desirable men makes little sense.

Now if one wanted to say that women would be more likely to orgasm during sex with a man that she considers more desirable (good looking, accomplished, etc.), yea that makes sense. It's because just like with men, women prefer sex with partners that they find highly desirable.
I like your explanation.

Probably facial symmetry and fitness was the proxy for good genes.

Actually, I do think that a women's orgasm improves the chance of pregnancy. I have read that in the typical orgasm, contractions help the uterus dip the cervix into a pool of semen and uterine contractions then pull or suck semen through the cervix into the uterus, helping to move the sperm along.
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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

Ugh. Sorry, I don't buy it. I wouldn't trade my husband for anything, and he certainly doesn't fit the above description of the gene/income combination. But, he definitely keeps me happy, which is what matters. My friends don't have to find him attractive. I am the only one who matters in that respect. I chose him, not his family's income (or lack, thereof), nor did I choose him because my friends wanted him.

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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

Wow, breaking news...women are turned on by hot men. lol I can't believe it. Those scientists are soooo smart.

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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

I do have a killer pair of jeans, so yeah, I can see this being true.
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I like your explanation.



Probably facial symmetry and fitness was the proxy for good genes.



Actually, I do think that a women's orgasm improves the chance of pregnancy. I have read that in the typical orgasm, contractions help the uterus dip the cervix into a pool of semen and uterine contractions then pull or suck semen through the cervix into the uterus, helping to move the sperm along.


Ha ha I doubt facial symmetry would be correlated with good genes. Ive know of very few people with facial symmetry and I do recall them because I have a congenital facial recognition defect and those people I recall because there is nothing distinctive to recall about them. For the few others I recognize by face it is the asymmetry that is most likely the feature I see.

I am highly asymmetrical but high IQ. I attribute it to my cave ancestors being smart enough to convince ogg and Thor to go out and slay the food in exchange for building tools

Seriously I think "good genes" include intelligence, reasoning skills, interpersonal skills, artistic predispositions, etc. and if you have those things you are equally able to pass on your seed. And frankly women know this much better than men, who are often befuddled when a beautiful woman is seen walking down the street with a troll (with positive attributes not visible to the casual observer).


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Wow, breaking news...women are turned on by hot men. lol I can't believe it. Those scientists are soooo smart.
It's probably shocking to men convinced that women aren't visual. These same men tell themselves that to justify why they're entitled to women who are hotter than they are.

Yes, women are quite visual and like hot men, just as men like hot women.
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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

M2 went from about a 50% rate of rapture when we connect to a near 100% rate when I returned to work after taking kind of a long (more than 2 years) break. There was conflict driving that break so it was not purely a money thing. Still - interesting.

And ummmm - last night we did a quick review of our retirement accounts. The last few months have been good to everyone who has US based stock funds - us included.

And - afterward - M2 raptured twice which only happens a few times a year.



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I saw the following article and thought it interesting and relevant to sex and marriage.

I guess good genes, confidence, high regard among her friends and income are important to a woman's satisfactory (and orgasmic) sex life.

Sort of puts all those MW Davis and Glover "Get a Life" recommendations in perspective. Get fit, handsome, confident, make her girlfriends think you are hot stuff and build your career become a high probability path to rocking her world in bed.





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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

If we want to cut to the chase and use some actual serious data here to know what gives a woman the biggest orgasm, well sorry to bust men's bubbles of thinking all we need are just good looks and lots of extra money as here is the actual and real truth:

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If we want to cut to the chase and use some actual serious data here to know what gives a woman the biggest orgasm, well sorry to bust men's bubbles of thinking all we need are just good looks and lots of extra money as here is the actual and real truth:

Another woman!

Pornhub's 2016 Year in Review ? Pornhub Insights
It took quite a while to figure out what you were saying. That is a lot of detailed big data! About almost halfway through they had topic porn searches by gender. The top three searches by females were Lesbian, lesbians scissoring, and 3-somes. (the top three for males were MILF, Step mom, Step sister).

So now I understand. thanks.
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It took quite a while to figure out what you were saying. That is a lot of detailed big data! About almost halfway through they had topic porn searches by gender. The top three searches by females were Lesbian, lesbians scissoring, and 3-somes. (the top three for males were MILF, Step mom, Step sister).

So now I understand. thanks.

I'm actually surprised they share that much data with the public regarding their site usage. When you consider that they stream 99GB per second to users all over the planet, odds are their data is so diverse that it actually represents a sincere wealth of knowledge to anyone seeking to better understand human sexuality on a global scale.

Of course we could all speculate for hours about what that data means and how it applies to people we know, but in the meantime user data is factual data for the users of that site.
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Re: You mean a woman's orgasms are tied to his genes and income?

An orgasm lets sperm pass the cervix much more easily. Otherwise, the cervix acts as a filter/barrier (cervical mucus) to limit sperm passage. So, traits that make a man seem more desirable as a father, will increase the chances of a woman having an orgasm, improving the chances his sperm will reach an egg. This is true even if she mated with someone else quite recently, but did not orgasm - that guy's sperm are stuck trying to pass through the mucus, while the later guy's sperm take the expressway. Symmetry is one indicator of good genes, as are good overall health, good skin tone, clear eyes, etc. What makes for a good provider has changed over the millennia, but the important thing is how well the man can support his mate and offspring so the children survive and thrive. Consensus of peers affirms a woman's perceptions that a man is a good mate (whether or not he actually is).

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What you quoted is true. Why do you think we are attracted to certain people and not others? Somewhere in our brain we have a list of things that tell us that the object of our attraction has good genes and would make a good mate. That stuff about income and all of that is just the modern substitute for being an alpha male who could protect a woman and children, while providing food and shelter for them. Instead of showing our prowess by hunting and fighting, we do it by their modern versions of making money and a powerful job.

Good looks telegraphs health. Intelligence says that you can survive better than a less intelligent person. At the top of want lists of women is a good sense of humor. As I overheard one woman say, looks fade but a man who can make me laugh every day is what I am attracted to. The ability to make someone laugh means that you can make a woman happier no matter what. I saw my wife on a train, spoke to her and we dated. Three weeks later we are engaged and married within 9 months. We are married for over 44 years. We still do not know why we are attracted to each other so much.

Today a woman does not need a man to protect and provide for her. She can even have a baby without ever having sex with a man. However our genetic code is designed for one thing and one thing only, to pass along our genes so that they can survive past our death. That is why men seek power, wealth, good looks, education, etc.. It is a substitute for fighting off the other males to prove to the females that you have good genes. It takes a very long time for our genes to change and adapt. We still have some hair left on us from the days when we were covered with it from head to toe. I have also seen something that did not exist in my younger years, girls are attracted to geeks because they can make a boatload of money these days. Money can buy protection, shelter and food. Genetically we are urged to do what will attract the best mates and having a lot of money is a good way to do that.

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