IT costs - Talk About Marriage
The Social Spot Talk About Whatever.

User Tag List

 28Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:11 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Hope1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alberta
Posts: 8,407
IT costs

My boss (the owner) refuses to spend ANY money on IT. His son, who is rarely available, does it. He's in uni becoming a computer something and really doesn't know much about servers and networks. I took the initiative to get some quotes on installation of a proper network and server etc. and was told this morning there's no money for it. So I am just curious, for those who work in small offices or in IT, what's a reasonable set up and monthly cost for a server and 5 worsktations? I am just curious if I am way out to lunch or if my boss is.

Hope1964 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:26 AM
Member
 
john117's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Midwest USA
Posts: 11,164
Re: IT costs

It's the stuff you don't plan for that will kill you, not the planned stuff. Five PC's and a server and network can be done for $500/PC and $1500 for a 'server', printer, and networking but add things like backup (cloud?), Office software, network security hardware (barracuda networks), internet connection, wiring costs, and things get out of hand.

I'd say $5k would be a good barebones start, then add some more for goodies.
john117 is offline  
post #3 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:32 AM
Member
 
jb02157's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,017
Re: IT costs

Quote:
Originally Posted by john117 View Post
It's the stuff you don't plan for that will kill you, not the planned stuff. Five PC's and a server and network can be done for $500/PC and $1500 for a 'server', printer, and networking but add things like backup (cloud?), Office software, network security hardware (barracuda networks), internet connection, wiring costs, and things get out of hand.

I'd say $5k would be a good barebones start, then add some more for goodies.
Right but then you have to have someone to run it once it's up and going. You might want to check into someone who can be on call as needed.

"I've paid double for every transgression I've ever made and that motel and that boat are little to ask for"
jb02157 is offline  
 
post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:35 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,903
Re: IT costs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hope1964 View Post
My boss (the owner) refuses to spend ANY money on IT. His son, who is rarely available, does it. He's in uni becoming a computer something and really doesn't know much about servers and networks. I took the initiative to get some quotes on installation of a proper network and server etc. and was told this morning there's no money for it. So I am just curious, for those who work in small offices or in IT, what's a reasonable set up and monthly cost for a server and 5 worsktations? I am just curious if I am way out to lunch or if my boss is.
Do you what to host these servers physically at your location or do you want them host in the cloud at someplace like Rackspace or the like?
Lostinthought61 is offline  
post #5 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:35 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Hope1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alberta
Posts: 8,407
Re: IT costs

Thanks for that info. The back up is what concerns me most (and I would THINK would concern the owner). The son has something called Carbonite running on my machine which as far as I can tell isn't backing anything up but my PC, and which I have actually deactivated because it pops in my face at all hours of the day. None of the Quickbooks or company files is being backed up right now, and this guy is relying on his son to fix things on the cheap.
Hope1964 is offline  
post #6 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:36 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Hope1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alberta
Posts: 8,407
Re: IT costs

Quote:
Originally Posted by jb02157 View Post
Right but then you have to have someone to run it once it's up and going. You might want to check into someone who can be on call as needed.
We do have a 'guy' which has been helpful, but their hands are tied if the owner won't spend money on hardware or a back up system
Hope1964 is offline  
post #7 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:37 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Hope1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alberta
Posts: 8,407
Re: IT costs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenote View Post
Do you what to host these servers physically at your location or do you want them host in the cloud at someplace like Rackspace or the like?
The quotes I've been getting have been for an upgrade to our hardware and cloud back ups. I *think* they involve the server being physically on site here.
Hope1964 is offline  
post #8 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:46 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,903
Re: IT costs

if there really is no server administer at your office and the son is just about use less, and if the sever is essential for the business, then the words there is no money for IT is a retarded response from your boss, i would as him if he could run a business with any computers and servers? i would remove the physical location...(just based on what you told me) i would really worry about hacking, i move everything to the cloud, and have them set up redundancy and Data recovery, and a back program...make it easy on yourself...the cost would depend on space required, bandwidth required and layout...but it would make the best uses of everyone time and energy.
Lostinthought61 is offline  
post #9 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:50 AM Thread Starter
Member
 
Hope1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alberta
Posts: 8,407
Re: IT costs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenote View Post
if there really is no server administer at your office and the son is just about use less, and if the sever is essential for the business, then the words there is no money for IT is a retarded response from your boss, i would as him if he could run a business with any computers and servers? i would remove the physical location...(just based on what you told me) i would really worry about hacking, i move everything to the cloud, and have them set up redundancy and Data recovery, and a back program...make it easy on yourself...the cost would depend on space required, bandwidth required and layout...but it would make the best uses of everyone time and energy.
I totally agree. The owners attitude is very hard for me to understand. He isn't even willing to spend $1800, the cheapest quote I got, which is just a band aid solution at this point. Much less the $8000 for what we REALLY need.
Hope1964 is offline  
post #10 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 10:57 AM
Member
 
Married but Happy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 4,354
Re: IT costs

If the owner won't do anything, the best you can do is copy your work files to a flash or external drive so your stuff isn't lost in case of a drive failure. Encourage coworkers to do the same, or copy shared files to your device, too. I can't even remember how many times just having essential data on another storage device has saved me. You can always replace a machine and the software with a little money and work - you can't recreate data. I daily copy key stuff that changes often, and the rest weekly. You can even email files to yourself, if the emails are stored somewhere other than your machine. I keep my important data on an encrypted flash drive, and take it with me everywhere. If my work or home burns down, I can recover - and the encryption keeps the data safe if I lose the flash drive.


Love is an ideal thing; marriage is a real thing; a confusion of the real with the ideal never goes unpunished. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

CELIBACY IS NOT HEREDITARY.
Married but Happy is offline  
post #11 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 11:07 AM
Member
 
jb02157's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,017
Re: IT costs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hope1964 View Post
We do have a 'guy' which has been helpful, but their hands are tied if the owner won't spend money on hardware or a back up system
Maybe get the IT guy to write a recommendation on what needs to be done in his professional opinion and what the consequences are if they don't do it or just put it off. Usually when bosses hear from a professional that if something is in need of repair or upgrade and it will be costly to the business if it "breaks" they will want to fix it.

"I've paid double for every transgression I've ever made and that motel and that boat are little to ask for"
jb02157 is offline  
post #12 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 11:11 AM
Forum Supporter
 
Haiku's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: United States
Posts: 3,337
Re: IT costs

I don't work that area of IT but your research should probably consider disaster recovery solutions also.

.........><)))#">
Haiku is offline  
post #13 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 11:29 AM
Member
 
Satya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,225
Re: IT costs

If you rely heavily on your system uptime (as almost everyone these days does)...

Ask your boss what the maximum recovery window (hours /days) would be, whether because logical systems are down OR because the building is inaccessible due to flood /fire /earthquake, etc. There has to be a point where the business will fold.

Then ask if the loss of revenue linked to this maximum downtime is greater than the $8K to put in place what you propose.

If he still isn't interested, I'd look for a new job.

The IT budget is never a priority to those who don't get it until there's a disaster. Unfortunately, by then it's too late.

This message has been brought to you by your friendly neighborhood internal IT auditor. Also from someone who once worked under similar frustrating conditions and lost her job because the company had to file for chapter 11.

"If you deliberately plan on being less than you are capable of being, then I warn you that you'll be unhappy for the rest of your life."

~ Abraham Maslow
Satya is offline  
post #14 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 12:03 PM
Member
 
john117's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Midwest USA
Posts: 11,164
Re: IT costs

$8k is about what my new Dell dual Xeon Precision 7810 workstation cost after all the upgrades 😀...
john117 is offline  
post #15 of 26 (permalink) Old 01-17-2017, 12:11 PM
Member
 
jb02157's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 2,017
Re: IT costs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Satya View Post

If he still isn't interested, I'd look for a new job.
Absolutely! If they aren't interested in anything but only bare bones, chances are when they feel they could operate without you they will. Cheap ass companies like this aren't worth working for. They will never see the value you bring.

"I've paid double for every transgression I've ever made and that motel and that boat are little to ask for"
jb02157 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on Talk About Marriage, you must first register. Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Important! Your username will be visible to the public next to anything you post and could show up in search engines like Google. If you are concerned about anonymity, PLEASE choose a username that will not be recognizable to anyone you know.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Wife texting other guy Robert2107 General Relationship Discussion 80 10-27-2016 10:28 AM
Vacation costs with boyfriend and his 3 kids PinkPeonies General Relationship Discussion 28 08-22-2016 05:34 AM
Why is healthcare so expensive? Idyit Politics and Religion 605 05-14-2016 08:05 PM
My wife continues her emotional affair at all costs jakeskate The Men's Clubhouse 106 03-17-2016 04:24 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome