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Pst* Know what else you can buy with food stamps funds? SEEDS! You can buy vegetable seeds, herb seeds, even vegetable plants that have been started and sold at the stores. I've bought seeds and have grown some of my own vegetables, too. Many people don't realize this is even an option. And they are CHEAP, too!

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Pst* Know what else you can buy with food stamps funds? SEEDS! You can buy vegetable seeds, herb seeds, even vegetable plants that have been started and sold at the stores. I've bought seeds and have grown some of my own vegetables, too. Many people don't realize this is even an option. And they are CHEAP, too!

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The problem with that is twofold.You need a garden or at least a greenhouse to grow your fruit or veg.The other problem is you have to wait months for them to grow.Still a good idea if the circumstances were right though.
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The problem with that is twofold.You need a garden or at least a greenhouse to grow your fruit or veg.The other problem is you have to wait months for them to grow.Still a good idea if the circumstances were right though.
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In P&R? I asked that it be deleted. I got what I needed and didn't want to leave it there. If you have anything you want to tell me, you can pm me.

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There is lots of anecdotal evidence of people using food stamps for purchasing what someone else would call luxuries.But that is the minority,most people who qualify for food stamps really need them and the last thing they need is someone in their ivory tower telling them they shouldn't get them.People will say "I don't want my tax dollars going to some lazy bastard who refuses to work"but in reality we are living in a country where it seems every new job created is at minimum wage but we still expect people to pay rent,feed themselves and their families and just be happy that they live in a free country.The biggest cost to families in my opinion is child care,it is a ridiculous situation that in a lot of cases it is financially not worth working.This is madness and is soul destroying for people who are struggling to raise families.Why should anyone flip burgers for eight hours a day and have little or nothing to show for it at the end of the week.

This is not a situation that was created overnight and it will not be resolved any time soon.No politician,whatever the party will tell thousands of his electorate that he is cutting their income and expect to be voted back in next time around.The day you win an election is the day you start fighting the next one.


I can't agree with you more in child care. I believe people who work full time and live below poverty level should be able to have free child care (IF they continue to work full time). We need to give people incentives to work full time, not punish them for working. But that's a whole other topic.
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How much do you think those folks contribute to society?

You know how much? -$3 to -$5 thousand dollars per child. They don't pay taxes, except sales tax. That's okay and even the tax breaks are okay, but to say that working is much help, I'm not sure? I mean, what help is that? Who is it helping? Who is it hurting? What are the differences if they didn't work and were paid the child support most of them don't even go after in court?

Many mothers believe child support is a punishment and only reserved for fathers who were not nice to their wives and children. I've asked them, so I got it straight from a few different young mothers. They don't want to hurt him.

What the ****? Who taught them this?

What if they stayed home and there were less workers for the existing positions available? So much to consider.

This thread should be moved to P&R. There is much to discuss, if you are serious about this topic.

And, don't think I don't care. I truly do, more than you can know. I just think there is a solution, but it might not be so easy to accept.

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The problem with that is twofold.You need a garden or at least a greenhouse to grow your fruit or veg.The other problem is you have to wait months for them to grow.Still a good idea if the circumstances were right though.
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Containers. Where we have lived, we had nowhere to plant a garden, except by putting them into containers. If you are allowed to have potted plants on your porch or balcony, you can use that space for vegetables and fruits, too. True, you have to wait months for them to grow, but once they are done, you are able to can or freeze them... saving money on store bought canned veggies.

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If the government helped poor people not to be poor, they wouldn't vote Democrat anymore.

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If the government helped poor people not to be poor, they wouldn't vote Democrat anymore.
You assume all poor people vote Democrat. They don't.

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I absolutely cringe at the thought of the government delegating only healthy food to be available on food stamps. How many kids would actually eat it? Yeah yeah I know, it's all about how we raise them , fostering good food choices, but there are those who are barely scraping by with money and precious time. Not to mention, sadly, fresh produce and healthier options are so much more expensive. I am not saying the situation is right. It is not. But We are not, nor should we be, the food police.

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How much do you think those folks contribute to society?

You know how much? -$3 to -$5 thousand dollars per child. They don't pay taxes, except sales tax. That's okay and even the tax breaks are okay, but to say that working is much help, I'm not sure? I mean, what help is that? Who is it helping? Who is it hurting? What are the differences if they didn't work and were paid the child support most of them don't even go after in court?

Many mothers believe child support is a punishment and only reserved for fathers who were not nice to their wives and children. I've asked them, so I got it straight from a few different young mothers. They don't want to hurt him.

What the ****? Who taught them this?

What if they stayed home and there were less workers for the existing positions available? So much to consider.

This thread should be moved to P&R. There is much to discuss, if you are serious about this topic.

And, don't think I don't care. I truly do, more than you can know. I just think there is a solution, but it might not be so easy to accept.
There are too many vested interests to ever really solve this.You could start by raising the minimum wage but the employer lobbyists in Washington will fight that.The exact same thing will happen if a genuine attempt at rent control was ever attempted.Another poster Matt Matt had a link the other day to an apt in the roughest area of San Francisco on sale for two millions dollars,what is this apt bringing in rental income to justify this price.I live near Boston and the rent being asked for even the smallest house would cripple most families.People who grew up in the area have no hope of moving out of their family homes unless they have an independent source of income.
Maybe if an independent govt department was set up to look into this there may be some progress but how independent would it actually be.
It's like I said too many vested interests.
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I can't agree with you more in child care. I believe people who work full time and live below poverty level should be able to have free child care (IF they continue to work full time). We need to give people incentives to work full time, not punish them for working. But that's a whole other topic.
There are programs that pay for child care. Unfortunately, there is a video posted on YouTube on how to take advantage of it. Actually, a woman has posted a series of videos on how to get free stuff from the government.
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If the government helped poor people not to be poor, they wouldn't vote Democrat anymore.
There's some kind of rhyming going on there.

I'm not sure if someone poor can do more? That's not so good. Oh well....

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I don't understand the OP. How is what a welfare recipient chooses to buys with their EBT card "keeping them poor"?
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There are too many vested interests to ever really solve this.You could start by raising the minimum wage but the employer lobbyists in Washington will fight that.The exact same thing will happen if a genuine attempt at rent control was ever attempted.Another poster Matt Matt had a link the other day to an apt in the roughest area of San Francisco on sale for two millions dollars,what is this apt bringing in rental income to justify this price.I live near Boston and the rent being asked for even the smallest house would cripple most families.People who grew up in the area have no hope of moving out of their family homes unless they have an independent source of income.
Maybe if an independent govt department was set up to look into this there may be some progress but how independent would it actually be.
It's like I said too many vested interests.
Well, it could be solved with a supply and demand type thing, like I was alluding to. I just can't figure out how it could be done without someone getting in trouble with some special interest group.

So, I guess you are right. I think I'm getting too old to really care much. Fighting it only gets me in trouble. That's how I ended up in the situation I'm in.

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