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The problem with that is twofold.You need a garden or at least a greenhouse to grow your fruit or veg.The other problem is you have to wait months for them to grow. Still a good idea if the circumstances were right though.
A person can grow all the veggies they need in a 4ft x 4ft grow bed per family member. Extremely cheap to cover them and create a 'green house' that allows for growing veggies all winter. I do it. It works.

It can also be done is pot, plastic milk jugs, etc.

It might not be possible for people in apartments with no land or balcony. But, there are community gardens in most communities that a person can join and grow their own.

You can even re-grow your veggie clipping. I do this all the time. For example I have a good size plot of green onions. I just plant the root bottom off green onions. They grow new green onions. Do this with all kinds of things.

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By the way,any idea what happened to the sexual assault thread it seems to have vanished.
If it's the one I'm thinking of, someone deleted it. Don't know why.

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I think that where this comes from is that some people get both food assistance and cash assistance.

The cash is to help with things like paying rent, utilities, shoes (yes people need shoes), and other things that a person will need money for. Since sometimes people need to get cash out to pay for these things, they can get cash out.

There are machines, like ATM machines, where a person can withdraw some of their cash assistance to pay for things.

Some strip clubs were able to get those machines. And some people used withdrew their cash assistance for use in the strip club. From what I have read, the gov has been cracking down on this misuse.

Since people can get cash out (don't know how much), they can use that cash for anything to include bail money, strip clubs, etc. I'm not sure that there is a way to completely control this.
I think, about the only way to combat the misuse is requiring landlords/apartment managers and well as utilities to take the EBT as payment. But, if required to do this, then they would also end up being required to accept debit cards, too. Believe me, I would LOVE it if debit cards were accepted for paying rent where I live... AND online payments would be great, too! Still, it would be a possible fix, but we both know it wouldn't be 100%.

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No, not all. But most do, and the Democrats know that.
Under $25k it's a 12 point spread for the Democrats. That's hardly 'all' or 'most'...
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Here, an adult who earns under $1,400 a month can get about $180 a month in food assistance. So if the person earns zero( $0 ) they still only get $180 a month for food. In some cases they can get cash assistance.

It's not a lot of money.
Nope, but it is better, in some cases, than making a little over the limit and getting no assistance. Believe me, companies know what that limit is. They like to set wages just above that.

Wouldn't surprise me if they get a tax incentive to keep folks off of that help. The government may not know that's how they do it.

I'm not the only one making just over the limit where I work. Many do. They tend to say something like, at least you are working. Like that's the goal. I could be a slave, if it was legal, and I'd be working. That doesn't make sense.

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Under $25k it's a 12 point spread for the Democrats. That's hardly 'all' or 'most'...
Democrats are twice as likely to receive food stamps: The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center

That's a pretty big difference. My guess is that most of these food assistance programs are just big vote-buying scams. When I was young and lived in a dicey part of town, I used to have people offering to sell them to me at half of face value. "Needy" my ass.
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A person can grow all the veggies they need in a 4ft x 4ft grow bed per family member. Extremely cheap to cover them and create a 'green house' that allows for growing veggies all winter. I do it. It works.

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Now wait a minute. It was just 15 degrees here last week. You're telling me that doesn't affect them?
It can also be done is pot, plastic milk jugs, etc.

It might not be possible for people in apartments with no land or balcony. But, there are community gardens in most communities that a person can join and grow their own.

You can even re-grow your veggie clipping. I do this all the time. For example I have a good size plot of green onions. I just plant the root bottom off green onions. They grow new green onions. Do this with all kinds of things.



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I asked for it to be deleted. I didn't want it to continue. Someone can start another as a general topic. That one was more specific to a certain situation. I didn't want it up.

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@2ntnuf, I have a friend here in Michigan who has a cold frame, I think she called it. It is enclosed so the wind doesn't affect those veggies, but it works for her family. Here, I have the option to bring the plants indoors if I want to. I've thought about it, but haven't done it yet.

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Democrats are twice as likely to receive food stamps: The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients | Pew Research Center

That's a pretty big difference. My guess is that most of these food assistance programs are just big vote-buying scams. When I was young and lived in a dicey part of town, I used to have people offering to sell them to me at half of face value. "Needy" my ass.
You can give the poor food stamps or you can spend the savings on building walls and fortified homes.

I'd be willing to bet that lots of other groups that benefit from the federal government's generosity aren't Democrats. Think handouts... And they vote with their wallets like the food stamp recipients do. Nothing unusual. In the grand scheme of things, the Pew paper concluded that...



The Appalachian mountains nearby are full of non Democrat food stamp groupies, incidentally.
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Nope, but it is better, in some cases, than making a little over the limit and getting no assistance. Believe me, companies know what that limit is. They like to set wages just above that.

Wouldn't surprise me if they get a tax incentive to keep folks off of that help. The government may not know that's how they do it.

I'm not the only one making just over the limit where I work. Many do. They tend to say something like, at least you are working. Like that's the goal. I could be a slave, if it was legal, and I'd be working. That doesn't make sense.
Years ago, one of my sisters was married to a guy left her and their baby. She was on welfare. She got a job that paid like $5 over the limit for welfare. So she lost the welfare. She ended up having to quit the job because she could not work, pay for child care, transportation, work clothing, etc. on her income from work. How did that help any one. Welfare was actually not enough for her to buy food and pay rent and heat. She had no heat in the winter. We had to go get her and her son and take them to stay with other people when it was cold.

The good news is that she ended up back in school and got an MS in Mechanical Engineering and has now had a 30 some year career that is well paid. So at least she dug herself out of the welfare black hole.
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You can give the poor food stamps or you can spend the savings on building walls and fortified homes.

I'd be willing to bet that lots of other groups that benefit from the federal government's generosity aren't Democrats. Think handouts... And they vote with their wallets like the food stamp recipients do. Nothing unusual. In the grand scheme of things, the Pew paper concluded that...



The Appalachian mountains nearby are full of non Democrat food stamp groupies, incidentally.
Medicare is not a form of welfare. We pay into it for decades while we work. And once retired have to pay a monthly premium that is income based. Medicare B also has co-pays and lots of things that are not covered. So there can be a fair amount of out of pocket.

ETA: Social Security is also not a welfare program. People who work pay into it Their entire work life.


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The Appalachian mountains nearby are full of non Democrat food stamp groupies, incidentally.
Yep, because the Obama admin mostly closed down the coal mines. Before that most of them were supported by the coal mines. These folks do not want to be an welfare. They want jobs. It is part of why Hillary lost. She promised to take away more of their jobs and put more of them on welfare.

Plus, the population of these areas are extremely low. 90% of a few 1000 folks in the WV is nothing compared to a smaller percentage of hundreds of thousands, or millions in inner cities.
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The Appalachian mountains nearby are full of non Democrat food stamp groupies, incidentally.
The question we were discussing was whether democrats or republicans are more likely to receive food stamps. Anecdotes about Appalachia prove nothing in this regard. Veiled threats of violence if food assistance is withheld prove nothing in this regard. The fact that republicans and democrats receive Social Security and Medicare (systems which they've contributed to their whole lives) in equal numbers only shows that there are roughly and equal number of republicans and democrats, and that they both have a desire to collect on the systems they've contributed to.
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Medicare is not a form of welfare. We pay into it for decades while we work. And once retired have to pay a monthly premium that is income based. Medicare B also has co-pays and lots of things that are not covered. So there can be a fair amount of out of pocket.
Funny, there's tons of working people getting food stamps...
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@2ntnuf, I have a friend here in Michigan who has a cold frame, I think she called it. It is enclosed so the wind doesn't affect those veggies, but it works for her family. Here, I have the option to bring the plants indoors if I want to. I've thought about it, but haven't done it yet.
Here is what I do. Built row covers (or mini-hoop houses) on my grow beds and cover them with frost cloth and/or green house plastic. The frames for a 4ft x 14ft row cost me $13.. the cover is about $32. When the weather gets low (down to -15 degrees) I have c9 Christmas tree lights in the tunnel. I have 3 of these grow beds in the part of the garden that I use 12 months a year.

I have more greens than the 3 of us can eat 12 months a year. I'm now looking at donating the excess to a local food bank.
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Funny, there's tons of working people getting food stamps...
What does Medicare have to do with "tons of working people getting food stamps..."
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