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post #76 of 120 (permalink) Old 02-20-2017, 10:50 AM
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At least in the UK healthy foods are not always easily available.

I was doing some grocery shopping for my mother at the local Co-Op (co-operative) shop and they had no fresh vegetables or fresh fruit of any kind.

I would guess that this situation probably exists in some places in the USA, too?
Yes it does exist in the some parts of the USA. There are what we call 'food deserts'. These are often in inner cities where there are no grocery stores that people can easily get to. AT the most there would be come kind of convenience store.

Plus, the very poor, some elderly, disabled, homeless, etc often have no place to cook food.

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NO one is attacking you. But people are discussing what you posted. And the article you posted is not correct.

Have you been reading the replies to this thread that have listed what a person can buy using EBT supplemental food money (food stamps)? The list you posted is WRONG.

The following can be purchased on food stamps (EBT):

1. Taco Bell <--
4. KFC <-- Some places allow using EBT as a few fast food places. I posted a link that explains why and the reason makes sense (for example homeless people who have no place to cook food.

7. Lobster <-- lobster is food. When a person is getting $90 a month in EBT, believe me they are not buying a lot of Lobster. But if they found it at a good price (it is cheap in some coastal locations) then they can buy it.

10. K-cups <-- it's food--coffee. But again on $90 a month, I doubt al lot of people are spending their money on this.

11. Cupcakes <-- again this is food. Some kid has a birthday and their mom spends $2.50 on a few cupcakes for the birthday. Is that really so terrible?


The following CAN NOT be purchased on food stamps (EBT):
2. Bail money <-- cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
5. Shoes <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
6. Strip clubs <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
8. Starbucks <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
9. Cash <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds

The article you quoted is WRONG


Thanks your use of caps makes me feel less attacked.

Did you actually read the article because they explain how some of these things are allowed to be bought. Example... Starbucks corporate stores don't accept EBT, but Starbucks at target or grocery store chains DO allow it.

It also explained how you can use your ebt card for withdrawal cash at an ATM. So your getting CASH which can be spent on anything including bail money, lingerie, and whatever you want.


http://www.ct.gov/dss/cwp/view.asp?a=2349&q=304628

Here is a website that explains how to use your EBT card TO withdrawal CASH.
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NO one is attacking you. But people are discussing what you posted. And the article you posted is not correct.

Have you been reading the replies to this thread that have listed what a person can buy using EBT supplemental food money (food stamps)? The list you posted is WRONG.

The following can be purchased on food stamps (EBT):

1. Taco Bell <--
4. KFC <-- Some places allow using EBT as a few fast food places. I posted a link that explains why and the reason makes sense (for example homeless people who have no place to cook food.

7. Lobster <-- lobster is food. When a person is getting $90 a month in EBT, believe me they are not buying a lot of Lobster. But if they found it at a good price (it is cheap in some coastal locations) then they can buy it.

10. K-cups <-- it's food--coffee. But again on $90 a month, I doubt al lot of people are spending their money on this.

11. Cupcakes <-- again this is food. Some kid has a birthday and their mom spends $2.50 on a few cupcakes for the birthday. Is that really so terrible?


The following CAN NOT be purchased on food stamps (EBT):
2. Bail money <-- cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
5. Shoes <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
6. Strip clubs <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
8. Starbucks <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds
9. Cash <-- not food, cannot take cash out of supplemental food funds

The article you quoted is WRONG


I never read an article or watch the news and think this is 100% true, or 100% false. I mostly believe that there is some truth to the news and articles. For you to say that the articles that I posted are WRONG, is in correct. I posted the article because I believe that there is something to learn from it, not because I think it's 100% true.
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Thanks your use of caps makes me feel less attacked.

Did you actually read the article because they explain how some of these things are allowed to be bought. Example... Starbucks corporate stores don't accept EBT, but Starbucks at target or grocery store chains DO allow it.

It also explained how you can use your ebt card for withdrawal cash at an ATM. So your getting CASH which can be spent on anything including bail money, lingerie, and whatever you want.


DSS: How to Access Cash and Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) Benefits

Here is a website that explains how to use your EBT card TO withdrawal CASH.
Around my neck of the woods most go to the casino with the cash. Yes John, both white and blacks do this. The EBT card does not discriminate.

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Medicare, unemployment, food stamps, etc are all part of the much hated by your side social safety net.

Lots of working people on food stamps includes people in places like Walmart which coaches their employees how to do it rather than pay a living wage. I heard the military has people on food stamps too.
Not sure what you mean by "your side." But anyway, the programs to help people in times of need are certainly needed and warranted. It is the abuse of the system that is an issue.

The military can eat at the PX for free or small amount. My neighbor fed his family of 6 there everyday. My neighbors home is $415K. He is military. W is SAHM. Never seen her bring in a bag of groceries the three years we lived next to them. I do not know of any military on food stamps. May happen but why when one can eat at the PX all day.

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Obama destroyed coal jobs?

It's not like I can't see the Appalachian mountains from my backyard

What killed coal jobs was cheap natural gas and increased productivity, and reduced demand for coal / dropping prices.

Coal and jobs in the United States - SourceWatch

Well now, Obama and Clinton did work on shutting down coal. It is well known both were looking to stop coal and provide jobs for these coal works in "other" forms of energy production. IE, solar and wind. Obama was no friend of coal. But yeah, other factors did contribute.

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I'm antagonistic? Epic LOLZ. Here's some more anecdotes for your amusement:

https://www.thenation.com/article/wa...n-food-stamps/

https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtim...300713%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/www.marke...rn-food-stamps

Look, I'm not stupid. I make a ton of money, the Mrs does too. We pay a lot in taxes. I know there's SNAP fraud. But if the GOP has their way and starts to kill the social net as they promise to do (I keep getting gleeful ads to support killing of the ACA here on TAM lolz), things will turn ugly in a hurry.

We as a country are better than that. We ought to be setting the example for the world to follow. Instead... It's all about money and national paranoia.

Well John, it is about money...even for you. After all, you and your W make gobs of cash. Something we needed to know and to make a point. Right?

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One side supports gutting the safety net. The other doesn't. I make more than enough and won't need it but I would rather not see us turn into a third world country I'm order to give me a token tax cut.

It's that simple.
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Well now, Obama and Clinton did work on shutting down coal. It is well known both were looking to stop coal and provide jobs for these coal works in "other" forms of energy production. IE, solar and wind. Obama was no friend of coal. But yeah, other factors did contribute.
Fracking did far more to destroy coal than ten Obama's. With natural gas prices in the same spot for over a dozen years who needs coal?
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Well John, it is about money...even for you. After all, you and your W make gobs of cash. Something we needed to know and to make a point. Right?
A decent safety net keeps the rest of us safe... Wink wink...

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One side supports gutting the safety net. The other doesn't. I make more than enough and won't need it but I would rather not see us turn into a third world country I'm order to give me a token tax cut.

It's that simple.
John,

What side is looking to gut the safety net? It needs to be cleaned up in all reality.

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Fracking did far more to destroy coal than ten Obama's. With natural gas prices in the same spot for over a dozen years who needs coal?
Major cities still use coal fired plants for electricity. Baltimore being a major city that relies on coal from WV.

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Years ago, one of my sisters was married to a guy left her and their baby. She was on welfare. She got a job that paid like $5 over the limit for welfare. So she lost the welfare. She ended up having to quit the job because she could not work, pay for child care, transportation, work clothing, etc. on her income from work. How did that help any one. Welfare was actually not enough for her to buy food and pay rent and heat. She had no heat in the winter. We had to go get her and her son and take them to stay with other people when it was cold.

The good news is that she ended up back in school and got an MS in Mechanical Engineering and has now had a 30 some year career that is well paid. So at least she dug herself out of the welfare black hole.
So glad she got out of it. It's a shame she had to work for someone like that.

Much easier when you are younger than 55. Most companies want younger folks. No, they won't say that, and they will give an interview. They may even hire an older worker, but that worker won't have the same opportunities or pay. Gender doesn't matter.

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Well John, it is about money...even for you. After all, you and your W make gobs of cash. Something we needed to know and to make a point. Right?
Maybe it's a person looking in from the outside that sees things clearly.I'm not in any position to argue about the merits of food stamps or welfare payments,I'm one of the people who will make money if taxes are cut by reducing the amount of people who get welfare of one type or another.It doesn't mean I think it's a good idea.
I don't like Trump or any of the crap he comes out with.I don't like Hilary or any of the lying or truth economics she seems to thrive on.These two politicians were what were offered to the American people as presidential candidates and one of them had to win.They owe a lot of people favours and they have to be repaid one way or another.The democrat supporters on tam can insult the republicans and vice versa,but you know what,it doesn't matter a damn.What runs America is vested interests,politicians who are owned by big contributors to their party will do as they are told.Anyone on tam who think the Walton family give a damn that their employees need food stamps to survive need a reality check.It is a race to the bottom and we seem to be moving the finishing line closer by the week.
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