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Thanks your use of caps makes me feel less attacked.

Did you actually read the article because they explain how some of these things are allowed to be bought. Example... Starbucks corporate stores don't accept EBT, but Starbucks at target or grocery store chains DO allow it.

It also explained how you can use your ebt card for withdrawal cash at an ATM. So your getting CASH which can be spent on anything including bail money, lingerie, and whatever you want.


http://www.ct.gov/dss/cwp/view.asp?a=2349&q=304628

Here is a website that explains how to use your EBT card TO withdrawal CASH.
Katie, I read the article, actually, and I tried to point out the parts that are wrong in it, just as Ele did. No, you cannot use the food stamps to buy Starbucks IN a Starbucks store, even inside the grocery stores. That does not, however, mean you can't use the CASH portion, if your get cash, to buy Starbucks at that store. I did point out that a common misconception is that people are able to pay for these items with food stamps. No. They absolutely cannot. However, the EBT card has two sections: food and cash. Food benefits can only be used for food. And ONLY specific restaurants are exempt as far as not allowing food benefits. But the cash portion? That can be used pretty much anywhere. The problem is that when some see EBT, they automatically assumed that to mean food stamps, and only food stamps. And, with that mindset, they get indignant, thinking they are spending food benefits on non-food items. They aren't. They cannot. But they can do it with cash benefits... IF they get cash benefits. And not everyone on food stamps gets cash. Ftr, I don't think it's right that they can spend that cash on strip clubs and such. But there is nothing wrong with them buying shoes, clothes (lingerie includes undergarments, which many consider a necessity), medication, etc. But cigarettes, alcohol, and clubs? No.

I hope you understand that we're not attacking you. Ele and I are both trying to explain the parts that were not explained thoroughly... especially the fact that the article did not separate food benefits from cash benefits.

ETA: Also, I went back to open the link you posted in the above quoted post. It is as we have been saying. The cash is only withdrawn from the cash portion of the card. If a person does not receive cash benefits, there will be no cash withdrawals possible. The food benefits can ONLY be used where SNAP is accepted.

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If you think Medicare is not related to other aspects of the social safety net ask a Republican like Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan what their end game plan is for any and all parts of said safety net.

Keep believing, meanwhile, that things will be fixed surgically while the safety net stays whole.
Yes, because asking the opinion of a politician is the way to find out what different benefits actually ARE. I already stated that Medicare is grouped with Social Security. Medicaid is grouped with Food Stamps and cash benefits. Medicare and Social Security are not handled by the same agency as the rest. Really, I couldn't care less what the politicians' end game plan is. Well, let me clarify. They can plan all they want. But even the Republicans who are on Social Security and ate receiving Medicare have told them to keep their greedy paws out of it. Not that they have listened, of course.

I'm not arguing that there doesn't need to be reform. The only thing I have argued is that, for some reason, you made it sound like food stamps recipients are all on Medicare. They're not. The ONLY ones getting Medicare are Social Security recipients. That doesn't mean that some on Social Security aren't on food stamps. Some are. But not all.

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Can I just say that I was surprised to see what was on that list. I am all about social welfare. I am all about government assisted programs. I brought up food stamps to have a conversation about them, to learn about them. I am all about helping the poor.

I feel like I can't bring up anything without being attacked or people getting angry. Relax people I'm not the enemy.
The list is bull****. Its just right-wing wacko crap. You feel for it.

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Under $25k it's a 12 point spread for the Democrats. That's hardly 'all' or 'most'...


Aaargh FACTS! how DARE you bring facts to a political discussion!!!!


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John,

What side is looking to gut the safety net? It needs to be cleaned up in all reality.
If you have to ask...

It needs to be cleaned up some, but the GOP approach of privatization and block grants isn't the answer.
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Major cities still use coal fired plants for electricity. Baltimore being a major city that relies on coal from WV.
And there's a ton of mercies, or merchant power plants, running on natural gas. There's one near me. Looks like an elementary school. Zero emissions. Sells to the grid.

Look at a graph of coal prices...
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And there's a ton of mercies, or merchant power plants, running on natural gas. There's one near me. Looks like an elementary school. Zero emissions. Sells to the grid.

Look at a graph of coal prices...

@john117 gas fired plants were typically referred to as peaker units because they could be fired up cheaply to satisfy peak demand. Typically they were gas powered turbines - exactly like airplane engines - providing peak capacity and easily and quickly brought up.

Gas prices were traditionally higher than coal so these plants served to satisfy peak consumption only and were therefore limited in availability.

With the erosion of natural gas prices these units became increasingly popular, however they can not compete with the MW output of traditional coal burning plants in many parts of the country. And frankly it's about output.

Nuclear power can definitely compete from a power standpoint but there are regulatory and social hurdles to that.

So frankly the debate is clean vs dirty coal, and then downplay the outcome because both are increasingly socially unacceptable but necessary


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Exactly. That's why they call them mercies (merchant power plants) around here.

There's options for coal like Fischer Topsch the Jerries used in WW2. But if you've ever driven coal country the destruction of the environment is real. If you're ever around Lexington KY take a drive to the Wild Turkey distillery or the Horse Park. The nature is awesome. Then drive to coal country and it looks like Mordor.
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And there's a ton of mercies, or merchant power plants, running on natural gas. There's one near me. Looks like an elementary school. Zero emissions. Sells to the grid.

Look at a graph of coal prices...
The question is how can an established plant burning coal switch to a complete gas burning plant? If a new plant is built, how to get the entire grid on line?

We do have Solar City in the area now. Panels on roofs. Ugly as hell but none the less efficient. I think more would be on board if panels looked like actual roofing material. I do believe Tesla has a product that looks like roofing and is also a solar cell.

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These policies were put in place by Democrats to create a permanent generation underclass that will be dependent on them and therefore always vote for them.

We all have seen the deadbeats use the food stamps for food and pay separately for the beer and cigarettes with "their" cash. They do it because they can.

And attempts at drug testing for welfare recipients has been blocked.
Every single state that has instituted drug testing for welfare recipients has found it to be a gigantic waste of money and virtually NO people testing positive. https://thinkprogress.org/what-7-sta...05d#.v0eo7piig

This is simply shaming the poor.

Funny how people demonize the poor, but have no problem giving away billions to wealthy people and corporations that don't need it.

OK, I need to stay out of this forum....

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Fracking did far more to destroy coal than ten Obama's. With natural gas prices in the same spot for over a dozen years who needs coal?
My husband will likely be laid off soon due to the lack of coal production.. he's not a miner though.. we were really stupid a few years back.. not taking the cash upfront for a "Marcellus Shale Gas lease" for our property.... could have had $180,000 minus the taxes laid in our hand, just for signing...and we blew it off...not sure they are coming back now...

So he'll lose his good paying job which he's not likely to replace, in our area... and we flushed away a lot of money that could have helped with College costs... really sucks.
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My husband will likely be laid off soon due to the lack of coal production.. he's not a miner though.. we were really stupid a few years back.. not taking the cash upfront for a "Marcellus Shale Gas lease" for our property.... could have had $180,000 minus the taxes laid in our hand, just for signing...and we blew it off...not sure they are coming back now...

So he'll lose his good paying job which he's not likely to replace, in our area... and we flushed away a lot of money that could have helped with College costs... really sucks.
Did the guy offering to option your land ever come back.
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Don't worry. There will be work in finding fresh water sources which aren't contaminated and work in seismic activity and how to design houses and buildings that will withstand the tremors.

Washington County had about four of them last year that registered, but could not be felt, yet. It's coming. The fracking caused the bedrock to weaken and the escaping gas, as it is used, will allow the surface of the "air mattress" to sag.
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Did the guy offering to option your land ever come back.
No.. they are gone now.. there has been smaller Earth quakes in our area from this Fracking... not where we live....but a few towns over...

The Marcellus shale Reps started out offering $750 an acre.. then $1,500, then it got as high as $3,500 a acre.. we just wanted a "No surface" lease....was trying to hold out for that... wasn't comfortable signing something that could be as close to 300 ft from our house.. (it wouldn't have been -but this tripped us up, that is how the contract is written)..

We dearly love our property, getting this house was an answer to our prayers... we didn't want to move or anything like that.. we feared loud trucks coming in, taking over the land, what could get into the well water, all those chemicals, blazing fires when they do a well.. one can see the Fire.. like an inferno miles away... things like this kept us from signing.. Might have been better off being ignorant and not reading what the naysayers had to say... I watched too many you tube videos of disgruntled land owners, and how they got screwed.

They wouldn't agree to a "No surface" lease.....we offered to take less...but it was "NO"....and we let them walk away...oh well.. one of our bigger mistakes in life.. as that lease would be ending soon.. it would have been like hitting the lottery for us.
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No.. they are gone now.. there has been smaller Earth quakes in our area from this Fracking... not where we live....but a few towns over...

The Marcellus shale Reps started out offering $750 an acre.. then $1,500, then it got as high as $3,500 a acre.. we just wanted a "No surface" lease....was trying to hold out for that... wasn't comfortable signing something that could be as close to 300 ft from our house.. (it wouldn't have been -but this tripped us up, that is how the contract is written)..

We dearly love our property, getting this house was an answer to our prayers... we didn't want to move or anything like that.. we feared loud trucks coming in, taking over the land, what could get into the well water, all those chemicals, blazing fires when they do a well.. one can see the Fire.. like an inferno miles away... things like this kept us from signing.. Might have been better off being ignorant and not reading what the naysayers had to say... I watched too many you tube videos of disgruntled land owners, and how they got screwed.

They wouldn't agree to a "No surface" lease.....we offered to take less...but it was "NO"....and we let them walk away...oh well.. one of our bigger mistakes in life.. as that lease would be ending soon.. it would have been like hitting the lottery for us.
Yeah,that sucks but it could have gone the other way.Your land could have been ruined for years and your well might never have been safe to drink out of.I don't know much about fracking but when I was in Ireland a few months ago there was a lot of anti fracking posters up all around the countryside.From what I heard a lot of farmers are in favour of it but their neighbors are against it.It all comes down to money,the farmers will take the money but their neighbors have to live in the area with no benefit but a lot of problems from pollution,traffic,noise etc.It will take a brave politician in Ireland to go against the views of the rural living people.Elections in Ireland are contested very differently than here.
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