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post #1 of 120 (permalink) Old 02-15-2017, 09:05 AM Thread Starter
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I hear all the time, complaints about the poor lazy people who live off of us and I don't want my taxes going to them while they use their food stamps and buy cigarettes and Taco Bell blah blah blah.
I always defend them, and I always believe in helping the poor.
BUT I am blow away at the 2 articles I just read about what food stamps can and can't buy.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.daily...h-food-stamps/

10 Things You Can't Buy With Food Stamps | The Huffington Post

Here is the summary:

11 things you can buy with food stamps:
1. Taco Bell
2. Bail money
3. Lingerie
4. KFC
5. Shoes
6. Strip clubs
7. Lobster
8. Starbucks
9. Cash
10. K-cups
11. Cupcakes

10 things you CANT buy with food stamps:
1. Toilet paper
2. Laundry detergent
3. Toothpaste, toothbrush, floss
4. Soap
5. Diapers
6. Tampons and pads
7. Deodorant
8. Hair care products
9. Cleaning products
10. Lotion, powder, sunscreen

What the heck? Why is this ok??? We are setting up these people to be unhealthy and be hated by us but it's not their fault! It's the government.

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I'm not too concerned about overpaying for social welfare - capitalism creates winners and losers by design. I've been on the winning side because of effort, education, intelligence, and my priorities. I desire a safe home and work environment where goods and services move freely and I can travel freely. I'm unconcerned with Trump's ignorant comments about safety in Chicago - the murder rate is lower per capita than many other cities and most violence is concentrated in areas the majority of people avoid.

So from my perspective, providing subsistence level assistance to those who can't or won't work is a price I'm willing to pay for social stability and for allowing me to achieve as much as my effort and education allow me.

I always believe these types of articles are designed to inflame people and get them to lose sight of the 80% in this 80/20 situation. In business, the 80% rule means you make quick decisions to maximize opportunity and minimize downside risk, but realize the trade off for quick decisions is acceptance of that risk. So too with social welfare - I'll opt for stability over some wasted dollars because the dollars I make in this capitalist system far, far outweigh the costs.

And I also know anyone can try to elevate themselves - I don't buy into the forced poverty victim oriented claims many make about social welfare. My W worked in the service industry hiring gang bangers in the deep urban areas - there were many hard working people there saving up and moving out.

So I'm content and won't be emotionally swayed by these sorts of things and I encourage you to have the same perspective.


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BTW @katiecrna it's not the government - it's us. We get what we elect. America speaks every election cycle.


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What the heck? Why is this ok??? We are setting up these people to be unhealthy and be hated by us but it's not their fault! It's the government.
LOL at it's "the government".... WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

The men behind the curtain are REPRESENTATIVES we hired.

We vote these people in, they are humans like you and me.

If you want to blame someone look all around you. The voters.

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Those businesses surely lobbied their lawmakers, and the lawmakers gave them what they wanted. There may have been some campaign donations made, or other quid pro quo, too.

Government, when it works on behalf of the public interest, can be a great advocate, Katie.

When it works on behalf of big business, or foreign governments, not so much.

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And with the current administration in place, it'll get a hell of a lot worse before it ever gets better!

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I hear all the time, complaints about the poor lazy people who live off of us and I don't want my taxes going to them while they use their food stamps and buy cigarettes and Taco Bell blah blah blah.
I always defend them, and I always believe in helping the poor.
BUT I am blow away at the 2 articles I just read about what food stamps can and can't buy.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.daily...h-food-stamps/

10 Things You Can't Buy With Food Stamps | The Huffington Post

Here is the summary:

11 things you can buy with food stamps:
1. Taco Bell
2. Bail money
3. Lingerie
4. KFC
5. Shoes
6. Strip clubs
7. Lobster
8. Starbucks
9. Cash
10. K-cups
11. Cupcakes

10 things you CANT buy with food stamps:
1. Toilet paper
2. Laundry detergent
3. Toothpaste, toothbrush, floss
4. Soap
5. Diapers
6. Tampons and pads
7. Deodorant
8. Hair care products
9. Cleaning products
10. Lotion, powder, sunscreen

What the heck? Why is this ok??? We are setting up these people to be unhealthy and be hated by us but it's not their fault! It's the government.
Sorry, but the stamps can also buy healthy foods but the Huffington post(garbage paper) will not post that certainly. No one forces poor food choices. Further, those on food stamps are to buy FOOD. The second list is toiletries and not food.

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These policies were put in place by Democrats to create a permanent generation underclass that will be dependent on them and therefore always vote for them.

We all have seen the deadbeats use the food stamps for food and pay separately for the beer and cigarettes with "their" cash. They do it because they can.

And attempts at drug testing for welfare recipients has been blocked.
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And with the current administration in place, it'll get a hell of a lot worse before it ever gets better!


What does that even mean?
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LOL at it's "the government".... WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT.



The men behind the curtain are REPRESENTATIVES we hired.



We vote these people in, they are humans like you and me.



If you want to blame someone look all around you. The voters.


Exactly. Those that take will always vote for those who give them free stuff in return for their votes.

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This GOP Administration, along with the unchecked legislature, will now work to see that these benefits are summarily diminished so long as they are in power! But they won't remotely hesitate in passing massive "welfare" reform for billionaires!

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It doesn't matter who is in office. This has been going on with democratic and republican presidents.

We're suppose to be helping people not hurting them.

And my view has always been the same... I don't care about those annoying lazy not working people that abuse food stamps, I care about their kids. Because it's not the kids faults. So if my tax dollars are going to food stamps I want to make sure the people getting them are using them for good things that help them and their children. Not for a quick meal and KFC.
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I've stood in the line at the market watching people buy frozen pizza and waffles, ice cream, TV dinners, etc and pay for it with assistance. I was scraping by buying flour and other base ingredients to stretch my dollar. I try not to pass judgement on people but I don't think the problem is their inability to buy certain toiletries.

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Katie, it's a common misconception with the EBT card that you can use food stamps to buy non-food items. You cannot. And, at least in the state of Michigan, you cannot use the food card at Starbucks inside the grocery stores. Now, the EBT card is split into two sections: food and cash. The food section can ONLY BE used for food. The cash section can be used for all other transactions. Sadly, yes, this also includes lingerie and other things you mentioned above. And, yes, most, if not all, stores who carry lobster will allow customers to buy the lobster with their food dollars, rather than the cash. I wouldn't buy it at all, regardless, but that is personal choice. However, yes, anything that is considered food/drink, with the exception of most, if not all energy drinks and all alcohol, can be purchased with the food portion of the card. If someone receives both food and cash benefits, then they are paying for the non-food items with the cash portion. The computer automatically separates the purchases according to food and "other". Can they purchase unhealthy options with the food portion? Yes. Can they purchase shoes, lingerie, etc. with the food portion? No. They can only use the cash portion. A lot of what is allowed, I believe should not be. But, the cash portion is supposed to pay for bills, necessities, etc. Shoes are a necessity. But I do agree that the most expensive places should not be allowing the EBT.

I'm on the fence about the restaurants, though. In stores, the hot case is not allowed, but the cold case is... fully cooked, just cold instead of hot. Some restaurants have that option. And I can see it if someone is traveling and nowhere to store/carry foods with them. I think, if so restaurants are going to take EBT, whether hot or cold allowance, they should have ONLY healthy, inexpensive options for those cards... not the "usual" items.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear that up... food stamps cannot but lingerie. Food stamps can only buy food. EBT cards have two sections. The second section is cash, which can be used for anything... and cash can be withdrawn. I'd say stop the cash withdrawals, but not all landlords tale EBT payments... same with utilities. If the landlords and utilities were required to accept EBT cards, that would stop cash withdrawals for these other items.

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There is lots of anecdotal evidence of people using food stamps for purchasing what someone else would call luxuries.But that is the minority,most people who qualify for food stamps really need them and the last thing they need is someone in their ivory tower telling them they shouldn't get them.People will say "I don't want my tax dollars going to some lazy bastard who refuses to work"but in reality we are living in a country where it seems every new job created is at minimum wage but we still expect people to pay rent,feed themselves and their families and just be happy that they live in a free country.The biggest cost to families in my opinion is child care,it is a ridiculous situation that in a lot of cases it is financially not worth working.This is madness and is soul destroying for people who are struggling to raise families.Why should anyone flip burgers for eight hours a day and have little or nothing to show for it at the end of the week.
This is not a situation that was created overnight and it will not be resolved any time soon.No politician,whatever the party will tell thousands of his electorate that he is cutting their income and expect to be voted back in next time around.The day you win an election is the day you start fighting the next one.
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