Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
I would never eat an apex predator (except maybe people) because then you eat everything they ate. Friend of mine ate shark. But sharks eat car batteries and tires and anything else else they can get AND THEY SURVIVE THAT.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
Wow..an anti-vegan thread...or should it be an anti choice thread? I quit eating meat some time ago and I feel wonderful...you "anti-vegetarians or vegans" should try it...
I highly recommend you watch a documentary called "Food Inc." you would be surprised at all of the crap(literally) in your food.
Leo Tolstoy once said that as long as there are slaughterhouses there will be battlefields...sorry, folks, but humans weren't meant to eat other animals..why do you think there is such a prevalance of cancers in this country? It's your choice.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
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Originally Posted by HappyAtLast
but humans weren't meant to eat other animals.
uhhh...what?
we're omnivores
evolution made us that way
we need protein and not too many plants give you the necessary amount to be vegan. (mushrooms, soy, legumes, beans and nuts are about the only foods with any appreciable amount) It's only due to modern trade and the ability to get such protein enriched plants to your grocery store are you able to be vegan and remain healthy enough to do it. Aside from parts of Asia, it's damn near impossible to be vegan 100 years ago in most regions of the world.
Because of these luxuries you have that choice to be vegan, fine by me. I'm happy you get to choose to live and eat the way you desire. But don't claim humans are not meant to eat animals because it isn't true in the slightest.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
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Originally Posted by Almostrecovered
uhhh...what?
we're omnivores
evolution made us that way
we need protein and not too many plants give you the necessary amount to be vegan. (mushrooms, soy, legumes, beans and nuts are about the only foods with any appreciable amount) It's only due to modern trade and the ability to get such protein enriched plants to your grocery store are you able to be vegan and remain healthy enough to do it. Aside from parts of Asia, it's damn near impossible to be vegan 100 years ago in most regions of the world.
Because of these luxuries you have that choice to be vegan, fine by me. I'm happy you get to choose to live and eat the way you desire. But don't claim humans are not meant to eat animals because it isn't true in the slightest.
If humans were meant to eat meat, then why this:
Health
Eating animal fats and proteins has been shown in studies to raise a person´s risk of developing cancer, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, hypertension, heart disease, and a number of other illnesses and conditions. The fat and protein content of cow´s milk is very different from human milk - vegans say that we are not designed for consuming cow´s milk.
Men with early stage prostate cancer who make intensive changes in diet and lifestyle may stop or perhaps even reverse the progression of their illness, according to a study. A US study that looked at half a million people found that red meat and processed meat eaters died prematurely more frequently than other people.
Whole grains, vegetables, fruits, and legumes contain no cholesterol and are low in fat, especially saturated fats. They are also high in fiber and other nutrients. Vegans say there are several plant based foods that are good sources of protein, such as beans, peanuts, and soya.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
I won't entirely disagree about milk, BUT do you know the most modern human evolution that scientists point to? The ability to digest and process animal milk. And not all humans can digest animal milk, it's why a chunk of folks are lactose intolerant. Namely, people with native american descent (and other people obviously) who didn't have centuries of digesting animal milk in their past.
And you're misusing the stats on cancer- it's TOO MUCH animal fat and such that cause cancer. Yes, I will concede our society eats too much meat. But frankly, we eat too much of most tasty things. Sugar, carbs, alcohol, caffeine, etc. Too much of any of that will cause problems. And guess what- if you ate too many carrots you can experience health issues as well. Your skin will turn orange for starters and certain vitamins are not water soluable and can cause problems. Even apples have small doses of arsenic. But I'm not railing against apples or carrots because like meat, in moderate consumption it is fine and dandy.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
think about how in the 50's, if an adult went to a fast food restaurant (a rare treat likely) he would order the equivalent of a regular cheeseburger and small fries for a meal. Nowadays, we pigs eat double quarter pounders with super sized fries and visit such establishments way too often. No wonder such health problems exist. It's not the meat or even the high fatty foods, it's the amount we consume of it.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
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Originally Posted by Almostrecovered
think about how in the 50's, if an adult went to a fast food restaurant (a rare treat likely) he would order the equivalent of a regular cheeseburger and small fries for a meal. Nowadays, we pigs eat double quarter pounders with super sized fries and visit such establishments way too often. No wonder such health problems exist. It's not the meat or even the high fatty foods, it's the amount we consume of it.
I stopped drinking milk several years ago, when I started to understand that the purpose of cow's milk is to promote growth. A baby cow goes from 90 pounds to 2000 pounds in less than 2 years. Trust me when I say, I do not want to consume anything that promotes growth.
Interestingly enough, hip fractures and osteoporosis are much more common in populations with high dairy consumption. American women consume 32 times the amount of cows milk as women in New Guinea, but suffer 47 times the number of broken hips.
Sorry, humans were meant to drink cow's milk either...Have you ever tried almond milk? Not only is it delicious, it has fewer calories and more calcium than cow's milk...
The dairy and beef industry want you to believe that you need meat and milk to be healthy, but they have a multi billion dollar industry to protect..you have to be a smart consumer.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
Ooo, a debate about eating meat
I have seen Food Inc, I have read In Defense of Food and others by Michael Pollan, and nowhere does he say humans shouldn't eat meat. What he DOES say is that humans should eat mostly vegetables, and they should eat ethically raised organic chemical/hormone free meat, eggs and dairy. I myself drink raw milk because the processing that store bought milk goes through changes it into a basically dead thing, devoid of many nutrients it originally had in it. I only buy eggs from farmers that let their chickens run around outside and eat bugs and weeds. I only buy meat directly from farmers who, in many cases, have either killed it themselves, or taken it to their butcher to kill. Farmers who feed their animals things I am comfortable with.
All those studies about animal fat being bad for you, red meat being bad for you etc. are based on store bought things like lunch meat (HIGHLY processed) and bacon (again HIGHLY processed and full of chemicals in most cases). If there has been a study done that differentiates between what I will call REAL meat (ie not bought from the grocery store, but raised ethically, organic and unprocessed) and grocery store meat I have not come across it. Saying that butter is bad for you is fine, if you're eating butter made from pasteurized cream, with salt added, and a bunch of things to make it taste and look a certain way. Using raw butter made at home is something ENTIRELY different.
As for the studies on hip fractures and whatnot, can I see your sources? The fact American women suffer so many hip fractures has a lot more to do with their obesity, hormonal imbalance brought on by the SAD (standard American diet of highly processed foods) and lack of exercise than the amount of milk they drink, I'd warrant. And sure, almond milk is delicious, but unless you make your own you are drinking chemicals that the human body was not designed to ingest, just like you are with all processed foods. And if you don't want to eat anything that promotes growth then you'd better not be eating things like kale, which is packed full of nutrients, or soy, which promotes bone growth.
Meat is not bad for you if it's the right meat. A Big Mac does not compare on ANY level with a burger you make at home using your own home made sourdough bun, lettuce from your garden, lacto fermented mayonnaise you made yourself and ground beef from an animal you knew as it grew up.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
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Originally Posted by Hope1964
Ooo, a debate about eating meat
I have seen Food Inc, I have read In Defense of Food and others by Michael Pollan, and nowhere does he say humans shouldn't eat meat. What he DOES say is that humans should eat mostly vegetables, and they should eat ethically raised organic chemical/hormone free meat, eggs and dairy. I myself drink raw milk because the processing that store bought milk goes through changes it into a basically dead thing, devoid of many nutrients it originally had in it. I only buy eggs from farmers that let their chickens run around outside and eat bugs and weeds. I only buy meat directly from farmers who, in many cases, have either killed it themselves, or taken it to their butcher to kill. Farmers who feed their animals things I am comfortable with.
All those studies about animal fat being bad for you, red meat being bad for you etc. are based on store bought things like lunch meat (HIGHLY processed) and bacon (again HIGHLY processed and full of chemicals in most cases). If there has been a study done that differentiates between what I will call REAL meat (ie not bought from the grocery store, but raised ethically, organic and unprocessed) and grocery store meat I have not come across it. Saying that butter is bad for you is fine, if you're eating butter made from pasteurized cream, with salt added, and a bunch of things to make it taste and look a certain way. Using raw butter made at home is something ENTIRELY different.
As for the studies on hip fractures and whatnot, can I see your sources? The fact American women suffer so many hip fractures has a lot more to do with their obesity, hormonal imbalance brought on by the SAD (standard American diet of highly processed foods) and lack of exercise than the amount of milk they drink, I'd warrant. And sure, almond milk is delicious, but unless you make your own you are drinking chemicals that the human body was not designed to ingest, just like you are with all processed foods. And if you don't want to eat anything that promotes growth then you'd better not be eating things like kale, which is packed full of nutrients, or soy, which promotes bone growth.
Meat is not bad for you if it's the right meat. A Big Mac does not compare on ANY level with a burger you make at home using your own home made sourdough bun, lettuce from your garden, lacto fermented mayonnaise you made yourself and ground beef from an animal you knew as it grew up.
Check out this website if you have time..Dangers Of Milk And Dairy Products - The Facts. BTW, kale and soy are plants help to protect the bones and not for bone growth. They are loaded with phytochemicals.
Re: What animals have you eaten?- the anti-vegan thread
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Originally Posted by Almostrecovered
looks like a really scientific site there...lol
terribly slanted
why don't you just admit you think killing animals is wrong in your moral view and stop trying to throw health and science reasons as your arguement
If you want to eat animals, go right ahead..but how can you say that scientific studies are slanted? Do you work for the Dairy Council of America or the beef industry? Anyone with a lick of sense knows that eating animals is wrong, but they do it anyway, and it's their choice..there are two sides to every story, and I'm presenting the other side, unpopular, yes, but another view. Another poster, Hope 1964, wanted some data to back up what I was saying, so I did. If you don't agree, then that's fine. But don't say that these independent, scientific studies are wrong. Back in the 1940's and 1950's, tobacco companies didn't want people to know how harmful cigarettes were to people, until studies kept proving over and over again how dangerous they were, until finally it sunk in. So much for scientific studies, right?
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