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Old 02-14-2012, 08:47 AM   #76 (permalink)
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I love going into the grocery store and finding big savings! In fact, our Krogers here offers managers specials that we get and we feel like we've won the lottery when we come across something we needed anyway and it's on special for a fraction of the price!

And this is just a blanket observation for renting/owning (not directed towards you TRBE).... Having gone through the bankruptcy process just recently, I had a much greater sense of security with the home ownership before and during the process... I can remember struggling to make rent some months, and there's not much room to play with that monthly payment (about 5 days tops)... With our mortgage, there was much more room and much more security in knowing that. While there is never comfort in knowing you don't have the money for something so important, there was comfort knowing that our mortgage company couldn't just take the house without trying to work with us first.

One of the biggest bonuses to owning a home is being able to knock a wall down if you want, paint a room, add a bathroom, change the flooring, change out the appliances, etc. and no one telling you that you can't! i.e. my tub question

Which leads me to another question for those of you in the states, do you need a permit to convert a bedroom to a full bathroom? I can't find an answer!
I hear you on the house security part....provided you live in an area that hasn't been devastated by the housing crash. Otherwise it becomes a nightmare that many struggle to wake up from.
Agree with the ownership and putting your own touch on things. I like that part and we are complete DIY'ers. Weekends are fun and often spent at Home Depot, the adults toy store.
Permit? No you don't TECHNICALLY need one to do any interior work by yourself and many don't get one. Why? Tax reasons. The moment you apply for a permit, the tax assessor views it as "improvements" and increases your property taxes accordingly. Having said that, if you ever plan to resell that house, you bet your ass you will want one. No potential buyer wants to hear "Non-permitted" bathroom. Since you are planning to do this yourselves, I would caution you though that since you two are "non-licensed" people, you want a city permit. It adds to the cost for sure but they will verify the plans and make adjustments as needed. Things you may not have thought of can be fixed prior to knocking down walls. It literally could save you thousands in the long run, not to mention when you want to sell the house.
Not trying to give you a lecture here. . Can I ask though if instead of converting a bedroom, are you able to perhaps use a part of the bedroom (keeping most of it) and say a hall closet to create a bathroom? I ask this because losing a bedroom shaves $30k off of the value of the house in most areas....at least here in Houston. A bathroom adds $20k so you are net negative $10k. Can you maybe skip the tub ( a space waster) and build a smaller bathroom. Sink, toilet and shower?
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Not trying to give you a lecture here. . Can I ask though if instead of converting a bedroom, are you able to perhaps use a part of the bedroom (keeping most of it) and say a hall closet to create a bathroom? I ask this because losing a bedroom shaves $30k off of the value of the house in most areas....at least here in Houston. A bathroom adds $20k so you are net negative $10k. Can you maybe skip the tub ( a space waster) and build a smaller bathroom. Sink, toilet and shower?
this is what i did.
the closet in one bedroom lined up with one of the bathrooms.
i closed off the closet, knocked a wall out, had a bigger bathroom. enough bigger to put a big garden tub in.
put a smaller closet back in the bedroom in another area so i didnt lose that bedroom.
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this is what i did.
the closet in one bedroom lined up with one of the bathrooms.
i closed off the closet, knocked a wall out, had a bigger bathroom. enough bigger to put a big garden tub in.
put a smaller closet back in the bedroom in another area so i didnt lose that bedroom.
Cherry, listen to him. Your house currently is a 4, 2 which is near ideal for any potential buyer. 4, 2 1/2 IS ideal. If you could keep most of the existing bedroom and convert a hall closet plus partial bedroom in to a half bath (although technically a shower doesn't make it a half bath), financially that makes way more sense than losing a bedroom and having a 3, 3. You literally lose half your buyers with that situation. Yes, most people have two kids but most families also want a study/guest bedroom/man cave/whatever. Keeping 4 bedrooms will make your home much more valuable in the long run. If anything, I would upgrade the bathrooms you already have, if you haven't already done so. Then if you want another bathroom, skip the tub and use minimal space to create the new bathroom. A shower doesn't have to be boring. Kohler has an "all inclusive" one that uses jets and steam and from what I have seen....it is like the most exclusive spa. Plus it is 5 x 5 so you aren't giving up valuable real estate!

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Nearly all bathrooms butt up to a closet. Old construction and new construction. Not sure why it is done that way but it makes it easier for DIY'ers to work with it, provided you are careful around the plumbing and it isn't a load bearing wall, which it rarely is. Yup, this chick knows her construction.
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I hear you on the house security part....provided you live in an area that hasn't been devastated by the housing crash. Otherwise it becomes a nightmare that many struggle to wake up from.
Agree with the ownership and putting your own touch on things. I like that part and we are complete DIY'ers. Weekends are fun and often spent at Home Depot, the adults toy store.
Permit? No you don't TECHNICALLY need one to do any interior work by yourself and many don't get one. Why? Tax reasons. The moment you apply for a permit, the tax assessor views it as "improvements" and increases your property taxes accordingly. Having said that, if you ever plan to resell that house, you bet your ass you will want one. No potential buyer wants to hear "Non-permitted" bathroom. Since you are planning to do this yourselves, I would caution you though that since you two are "non-licensed" people, you want a city permit. It adds to the cost for sure but they will verify the plans and make adjustments as needed. Things you may not have thought of can be fixed prior to knocking down walls. It literally could save you thousands in the long run, not to mention when you want to sell the house.
Not trying to give you a lecture here. . Can I ask though if instead of converting a bedroom, are you able to perhaps use a part of the bedroom (keeping most of it) and say a hall closet to create a bathroom? I ask this because losing a bedroom shaves $30k off of the value of the house in most areas....at least here in Houston. A bathroom adds $20k so you are net negative $10k. Can you maybe skip the tub ( a space waster) and build a smaller bathroom. Sink, toilet and shower?
Hah - Lowes is our store here! We have a Home Depot, but we get crazy deals on clearance items at the Lowes. We are complete DIY'ers. We even applied for Renovation Realities (for this bathroom project in fact), but I think our video we sent in was really week, so we didn't get picked

As for the bedroom, it was a small bedroom tucked in the back of the house where a den was. We never used the den and the bedroom was just kind of there. We had plans all along to make the unused den our master bedroom and turn that little bedroom into a bath/closet for the master. We really just lost the den in this conversion. That said, the house was listed as a 3/2, it will be a 3/3 after this. I don't know what kind of value the den added, but our original plan was to merge two of the bathrooms to one big one accessible from the master... We ultimately decided against demolishing a bathroom and chose to go with a 3rd smaller bathroom making it a 3 bathroom house.

I don't think converting the den into a large bedroom would be too negative to the value of the home. I don't know though, it does give us much more living space though

P.S. Don't mind the lectures at all... thoughts are always appreciated
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Cherry, listen to him. Your house currently is a 4, 2 which is near ideal for any potential buyer. 4, 2 1/2 IS ideal. If you could keep most of the existing bedroom and convert a hall closet plus partial bedroom in to a half bath (although technically a shower doesn't make it a half bath), financially that makes way more sense than losing a bedroom and having a 3, 3. You literally lose half your buyers with that situation. Yes, most people have two kids but most families also want a study/guest bedroom/man cave/whatever. Keeping 4 bedrooms will make your home much more valuable in the long run. If anything, I would upgrade the bathrooms you already have, if you haven't already done so. Then if you want another bathroom, skip the tub and use minimal space to create the new bathroom. A shower doesn't have to be boring. Kohler has an "all inclusive" one that uses jets and steam and from what I have seen....it is like the most exclusive spa. Plus it is 5 x 5 so you aren't giving up valuable real estate!

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Nearly all bathrooms butt up to a closet. Old construction and new construction. Not sure why it is done that way but it makes it easier for DIY'ers to work with it, provided you are careful around the plumbing and it isn't a load bearing wall, which it rarely is. Yup, this chick knows her construction.
Okay - I'll try to paint a pic of this layout the best that I can in just words The large "den" was located on the very back of the house. The small bedroom (8x10) was through the den tucked in a corner. It was very useless really, with no access to a bathroom except by going all the way through the house. It was part of the reason it was never used.... So now the whole back of the home is our master suite... it is a large bedroom, fairly decent size closet, laundry area and a bathroom. I think that's more appealing than a large den with a small bedroom attached. All in all, we have two bedrooms in the front with two bathrooms and now we have a complete master suite.... Well, technically we now have two master suites... One is just smaller
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Hah - Lowes is our store here! We have a Home Depot, but we get crazy deals on clearance items at the Lowes. We are complete DIY'ers. We even applied for Renovation Realities (for this bathroom project in fact), but I think our video we sent in was really week, so we didn't get picked

As for the bedroom, it was a small bedroom tucked in the back of the house where a den was. We never used the den and the bedroom was just kind of there. We had plans all along to make the unused den our master bedroom and turn that little bedroom into a bath/closet for the master. We really just lost the den in this conversion. That said, the house was listed as a 3/2, it will be a 3/3 after this. I don't know what kind of value the den added, but our original plan was to merge two of the bathrooms to one big one accessible from the master... We ultimately decided against demolishing a bathroom and chose to go with a 3rd smaller bathroom making it a 3 bathroom house.

I don't think converting the den into a large bedroom would be too negative to the value of the home. I don't know though, it does give us much more living space though

P.S. Don't mind the lectures at all... thoughts are always appreciated
I misunderstood then. I thought you had a 4, 2 and wanted to take it down to a 3, 3 and I was screaming NOOOOOOOO. If the house was listed as a 3, 2 and you want to make it a 3, 3....there is nothing but upside on that!
So how many rooms do you have? I mean all rooms.
Also, get a permit. Here in Texas it isn't needed for interior work (scary) but honestly, something as important as a bathroom needs to be done right. I would also seriously consider hiring an electrician. It doesn't matter how skilled you are as a DIY'er, anything involving water and electricity needs a professional. Lastly, the tub. Runs with a Dog is correct. A claw foot tub can weigh upwards of 600 lbs UNFILLED and you very likely will need structural support if it is upstairs. So that is something to consider. If you go with a whirlpool style tub, you need to consider your hot water heater. Those things suck up hot water at epic levels and you may very well need a larger tank and that also means added water expense.
Okay, lecture over.

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Okay - I'll try to paint a pic of this layout the best that I can in just words The large "den" was located on the very back of the house. The small bedroom (8x10) was through the den tucked in a corner. It was very useless really, with no access to a bathroom except by going all the way through the house. It was part of the reason it was never used.... So now the whole back of the home is our master suite... it is a large bedroom, fairly decent size closet, laundry area and a bathroom. I think that's more appealing than a large den with a small bedroom attached. All in all, we have two bedrooms in the front with two bathrooms and now we have a complete master suite.... Well, technically we now have two master suites... One is just smaller
So where will the new bathroom be located? Sorry, I'm confused. Are you expanding your current master bath?
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I misunderstood then. I thought you had a 4, 2 and wanted to take it down to a 3, 3 and I was screaming NOOOOOOOO. If the house was listed as a 3, 2 and you want to make it a 3, 3....there is nothing but upside on that!
So how many rooms do you have? I mean all rooms.
We have a dining room, kitchen, living room, 3 bdrms and currently 2 baths (soon to be 3) And you asked about updating the other baths.. We did that with the main one, complete gut job except the original tub. Funny thing is that I wanted that original tub gone when they were doing the gut on it. It's a little dingy (it is over 50 yrs old).... But now I love it! The other bathroom was part of an addition many years ago, so it was fairly new to begin with.

On a side note, my H does flooring professionally, so we've been able to do all of our flooring updating ourselves fairly cheap. We updated our kitchen and bath flooring/surround for less than $500 in tile and materials And that was for slate tile.
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So where will the new bathroom be located? Sorry, I'm confused. Are you expanding your current master bath?

Old house plan included:

3 bedrooms (2 large rooms, 1 small room)
2 baths
1 den
1 living room
1 kitchen
1 dining room

New house plan includes:

3 bedrooms (3 large rooms)
3 baths
1 living room
1 kitchen
1 dining room

All in all we converted the den into the master bedroom, and the small bedroom off of the den will now become the closet/bathroom for the master bdrm. It's essentially 500 sq ft that wasn't really used for anything (storage maybe) and turning it into our master suite.
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Old house plan included:

3 bedrooms (2 large rooms, 1 small room)
2 baths
1 den
1 living room
1 kitchen
1 dining room

New house plan includes:

3 bedrooms (3 large rooms)
3 baths
1 living room
1 kitchen
1 dining room

All in all we converted the den into the master bedroom, and the small bedroom off of the den will now become the closet/bathroom for the master bdrm. It's essentially 500 sq ft that wasn't really used for anything (storage maybe) and turning it into our master suite.
That will bring tremendous value to your home. Good job! So what kind of tub are you leaning towards? Cast iron claw foots are really gorgeous but heavy as hell. Jetted tubs are luxurious but chews up hot water. What about a standard tub with a "waterfall" like faucet? That way you stick with a standard tub and forego all the extra costs yet have the spa like/romance feel you are looking for.
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That will bring tremendous value to your home. Good job! So what kind of tub are you leaning towards? Cast iron claw foots are really gorgeous but heavy as hell. Jetted tubs are luxurious but chews up hot water. What about a standard tub with a "waterfall" like faucet? That way you stick with a standard tub and forego all the extra costs yet have the spa like/romance feel you are looking for.
I don't know anymore After the suggestions, I am leaning now more towards a standard tub, mainly because of our space constraints and a standard size will leave plenty of room in the new bathroom without crowding it. I like the idea of the waterfall faucet. I suppose we could save on the cost of a tub by going standard and put more money into the faucet set. Another plus with a standard tub is that we can have a built in shower in there too. A soaker has too much space around it for a overhead shower.

Still want to do either porcelain on steel or something solid as opposed to acrylic. Either way, H isn't happy with that particular decision. It's my retreat though and a happy wife is important, right? lol
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I don't know anymore After the suggestions, I am leaning now more towards a standard tub, mainly because of our space constraints and a standard size will leave plenty of room in the new bathroom without crowding it. I like the idea of the waterfall faucet. I suppose we could save on the cost of a tub by going standard and put more money into the faucet set. Another plus with a standard tub is that we can have a built in shower in there too. A soaker has too much space around it for a overhead shower.

Still want to do either porcelain on steel or something solid as opposed to acrylic. Either way, H isn't happy with that particular decision. It's my retreat though and a happy wife is important, right? lol
Two questions and feel free to tell me to go to hell after the second one: Is this a first floor or second floor remodel? How much is your budget for the entire remodel?
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Two questions and feel free to tell me to go to hell after the second one: Is this a first floor or second floor remodel? How much is your budget for the entire remodel?
The whole house is just single level, stand alone.

Budget wise, it's tight, looking to do the whole thing for right around $1500. Figure the tub won't be but around $200 (many choices in standard anyway at that price), the vanity and fixtures will be the splurge ($700-800). Hubby is making the vanity mirror out of cedar (picked up a large mirror for $5)! We already have flooring (solid wood bamboo - I know, wood in a bathroom?! But we picked it up at Lowes on clearance for right around .40/sq ft, total of $30, and at that price if we have to tear it out in ten years, we'll be okay and the toilet, maybe $100, unless we find it on clearance too. Our plumbing will be free, aside from cost for materials (a friend of ours is a plumber)... So all in all - flooring being laid is free, plumbing being ran is free and we also have a friend that does electrical... We'll get a discount on that anyway.

When we redid our kitchen, we got all of the appliances on clearance at Lowe's for $800 total and sold our existing appliances for $400. Our flooring, countertops (used marble tile) and backsplash came to about $300... So if the math is correct, we did our entire kitchen for $700!!! (minus cabinets).

(I'm beginning to feel like a Lowe's spokesperson )
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We already have flooring (solid wood bamboo - I know, wood in a bathroom?!
hmmm.

i will tell you this.
i did my living room and dining room in bamboo.
looks awesome when its new.
we got that because we were told it was about the hardest wood and some of the best for flooring in high traffic.
IT IS CRAP!!!
it scratches very easily.
mine is only a few years old and it has scratches and deep gouges all over it.

being porous as bamboo is, i would really check if it wouldnt swell quite a bit being in a humid area.
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