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Old 03-17-2012, 07:50 PM   #256 (permalink)
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But I am for law abiding citizens having the right to protect themselves and the lives of their family IAW the 2nd Ammendment and applicable USSC rulings. I'm not for unrestricted carry, but I do think there should be a way to restrict people with mental health issues and people convicted of violent felonies from obtaining firearms. The gun show loophole should be closed I think.
I am all for due process iaw the 5th Amendment being used to restrict or eliminate the 2A rights of some people. One of my sisters is mentally and physically disabled. She is on permanent disability and is in an adult assisted living type of arrangement. She should definitely not get near a gun. But I think she should have 2A rights until a court hears the facts and decides.

Rights should always be about choice not mandate. So those who choose not to keep or bear arms are fine by me. I am for unrestricted but not mandated gun ownership.

The gun show loophole is not. A private citizen is permitted under federal law and most states' laws to buy or sell firearms, ammunition, knives, or other weapons. As long as it is not a business there is no requirement for a federal firearms dealer license. So whether the transaction takes place in my living room or in a big get together with lots of other enthusiasts should make no difference.

The call to close the "loophole" is really an attempt at boiling the frog to outlaw all private sales. The stated goal by many who actively push for closing that "loophole" is to first require all transactions be run through the federal background database, and then to make all private sales illegal.

The reason I am so strongly opposed is that this is indeed boiling the frog and sliding down the slippery slope. It sounds good to background check all purchasers, even private sales. But it then requires using the federal data base and check system. Do you really think there is no abuse even now by fed.gov? Federal law says they keep no records yet there are many stories of BATFE and DHS showing up tracking things down which could only have been done by accessing stored records.
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Old 03-17-2012, 07:54 PM   #257 (permalink)
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When I hear about school shootings or similar crimes committed by young people, my first instinct is to wonder what type of parents the kids had.

As for pure numbers - would love to see what our shootings as a percentage of total high school students would look like in comparison to other countries.
You would enjoy John Lott's book "More Guns, Less Crime".

As to things like school shootings, I think there are a lot of factors. It is certainly a crazy thing to do, and one does wonder about the home environment. There is an interesting correlation, which does not prove any kind of causation, with teen male school shooters and ADHD medications. I think there is mention of correlation with an acne Rx med also. If one could eliminate political agendas from the literature it would be an interesting phenomenon to study. Not just schools but all the mass public shootings.
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Hey there, Thor. Not ducking the thread, but on the go as you were. Need to get someplace with sufficient time to post clearly.
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