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Old 03-11-2012, 09:02 PM   #106 (permalink)
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private gun ownership is THE original homeland security.
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Sigma, i agree with you 100000%

I won't go into what I believe about this country... Conspiracy theorist? Youuuuu betcha.
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That picture of Geronimo and his warriors was taken about 5 miles from where I grew up.
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I live in Australia and one thing we don't understand is your gun laws in the United States.

It seems (and I'm no expert so forgive my ignorance) that almost any adult in the US can have a gun licence and own weapons. There appears to be are a lot of tragic high school shootings in the US that come on to our news and the readers constantly argue that it doesn't help that guns are so readily accessible over there.

I could never own a gun. The thought of having it in my house would put the fear of god in me. A weapon with instant death with one touch, one accident. Even locked up in the cabinet. I could never do it, especially with a child in the house.

Do you think the gun laws in the US should be changed? I understand everybody has the right to protection but is it really necessary? Are they causing more harm than good? I know there are a lot of americans who I've briefly met who seem completely attached to their guns and will shoot down (not literally) anyone who challenges the fact that the laws should be changed. I'd really like just for my own understanding what other people's thoughts and reasonings were behind this as to me, it makes no sense. Our country has very strict laws against guns and I am thankful for that. I know any weapon is dangerous and if people want to do harm they will, but I think having so many guns available in a country increases the risks of accidents and the availability of such a dangerous weapon being accessible to young people.
It is a right that many of us are unwilling to give up. I am not a hunter but I own a weapon to protect my family.

I am not going to argue this with you as this is a polarizing issue. Please accept that you live in Australia and like the gun laws there. I live in the US and like the gun laws here.
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This whole thread makes it sound like most of you have little faith in your government and live in fear of attack and being defenceless. For all this I can understand why you have guns. It just sounds really sad. It's not like that with our government. I understand the US is bigger than us, and you have been through more than us. Your threats are larger than ours. I just can't imagine what it's like to live in a country where you feel you NEED guns.
America is NOT our government. We have the right to overthrow any government who seeks to take away out freedoms. We Americans. It is our country. Not the governments. We like it that way. It really has nothing to do with any other country. We really don't care. I think we feel kinship with Australia because of our British heritage.
We kicked them out with guns.
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:40 AM   #113 (permalink)
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My original question in this thread was do you think gun laws should be changed?

I have accepted that I live in Australia and like my laws, and you live in America and like your laws.

I'm finding some of the remarks aimed at me on this thread recently a little attacking and I'm not out to question or understand a government in a country where I don't live, as I have already stated a few times already on this thread. Everybody has their opinions. It was a question based on me asking how you feel about your gun laws. As we don't have them, I was curious as to your thought process. It is a big difference between the two countries. I was trying to expand my understanding. I apologise if I have come across any differently.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:25 AM   #114 (permalink)
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I took your original post as condescending and snobbish. You made your attitude toward guns quite clear and implied your country was superior because of its laws disarming the citizenry.

Yes, if you ask me, some gun laws should be changed. California should change its laws to recognize concealed weapons permits from all other states. Illinois should allow concealed carry permits, since it's the last state in the union that doesn't allow it. States like New Jersey should change from "may issue" to "shall issue". The National Right To Carry Act should be passed, thereby allowing full reciprocity between all the states in the union with respect to concealed carry permits. The states should adopt a consistent Castle Doctrine that protects victims criminal prosecution and civil suits, when they act to protect their own lives and defend their own home from an intruder as the result of a home invasion. The list goes on and on.

Look, I know the consequences of the bad guys/gals having guns. All this has convinced me even more that law abiding citizens should have the right to defend themselves because the police can't be everywhere.

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Old 03-12-2012, 03:53 AM   #115 (permalink)
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Old 03-12-2012, 04:24 AM   #116 (permalink)
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I took your original post as condescending and snobbish.
Really? I just re-read it and didn't get that. I thought I stated my opinion and then asked for others. I don't think a snob is really open to listening to others opinions for their own.

I'm actually a little personally offended by what you wrote. I don't "look down" on your country and think mine is "superior". I don't understand your gun laws and have gained a lot of perspective from this thread.
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Old 03-12-2012, 06:48 AM   #117 (permalink)
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Gratitude, I understand where you are coming from, and that is why I suggest that much of the issue goes deeper than just guns. You brought up a very good discussion point, and I hope you can understand that much of the emotion is over the issue, and not you. Your compassion for others is very evident in your posts.

Personally, I was thinking about getting a few guns for the Zombie apocalypse, but then I realized that those Mayans didn't know about leap years, so the end of the word should've been a few months ago.

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Old 03-12-2012, 07:11 AM   #118 (permalink)
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Gratitude, I understand where you are coming from, and that is why I suggest that much of the issue goes deeper than just guns. You brought up a very good discussion point, and I hope you can understand that much of the emotion is over the issue, and not you. Your compassion for others is very evident in your posts.

Personally, I was thinking about getting a few guns for the Zombie apocalypse, but then I realized that those Mayans didn't know about leap years, so the end of the word should've been a few months ago.
Thank you for kind words I was a little afraid to come back on lol.

I do realise now that's it's not just about the guns, and how people feel really strongly about it. Maybe I can take this discussion into conversations over here when the topic comes up. Life's all about keeping an open mind and learning outside of our own judgements. I appreciate each and every one's time to comment.

BTW the zombie apolcalypse? I have been hearing all about this Dec 21st, 2012 end of the world theory though? Sounds omnious.
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:13 AM   #119 (permalink)
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I don't believe the two are related. A gun is a weapon, used as a weapon. A car is not used for attack and protection. 5 year olds won't find themselves behind the wheel of a car driving, but they could pick up a gun off the floor.
In some states, if you get behind the wheel while intoxicated, you are in "unlawful possession of a deadly weapon".
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Cars and guns can't be compared it's not logical! There are a lot of things out there that kill people. But if you want to compare a gun, compare it with something designed as a weapon. I mean come on, cars aren't really used or designed for attacks! Cars kill more people yes, but you don't buy one to keep it in your garage for when an intruder comes in, so you can quickly fire her up and run someone over. I know the argument is that more deaths are caused by cars, but not usually intentionally. I'm sorry but I find this comparison illogical.

I live in a country that forces me to be defenceless? No. We have knives, baseball bats, pepper spray, axes etc. We don't however live in fear of someone coming in and threatening us with a gun, it rarely happens, so we don't need guns to counteract. The home invasions people I know who have experienced them here a gun was never involved. If I want to arm myself, I'll arm myself. I don't need a gun to do it. Not in my country. And I'm happy with that.
Ok lets talk logic.

Again I have seen many people intentionally run over by cars. A pissed off spouse or acquaintance. It happens all the time.

If you really want to about this on a logical level then you have to accept the outcomes as a logical conclusion as they are factual. If person A gets in his car and drives over person B because he saw her coming out of another mans house; his intent was to use it as a weapon. It doesn't matter how you see its original design. It is what it is.

More logic for you to ponder. Who follows gun laws? A. law abiding citizens. If only law abiding citizens follow gun laws the net affect would be that only criminals have guns. The logical end result would be that the law abiding citizen is defenseless against the criminal element. I have faced down the barrel of a gun more than once and I fully understand the most basic concept of human nature is self preservation.

If you want to defend yourself with a knife or a bat; ok by me. Logic would dictate, never bring a knife to a gun fight. You seem to key in on home invasions. this is a very small percentage of crimes Which is the point in ccw permitting. I take responsibility for my on safety. I will not wait for police to show up and save the day. Generally they show up after the crime is committed and a victim has been created. I don't intend to be a victim.

An earlier post of yours stated that your stance is an idealistic one. Ideology and logic quite often are mutually exclusive. Reality and outcomes trump idealistic intent.

Finally,If you really want to pursue this on a logical level you might read a book "More guns Less Crime" by Dr. John Lott. it is the most extensive study of gun laws and the result ever done. If as you stated earlier you are more ideologically driven you will not like it.
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