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Old 05-12-2012, 03:51 PM   #361 (permalink)
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Saturday : 05/12 Upper Body Rep and Speed Day

Military Press (SE8) -- 4 x 8

Speed Floor Press (SE20) -- 4 x 20

Pendlay Rows (SE8) -- 4 x 8
Entropy, just wanted to let you know you inspired me today.

I was sitting at home debating if I was going to let the 45 minute speed walk/jog this morning, coupled with the mile or so I walked waiting for my son's pre-game soccer practice to finish count as my workout for the day.

I saw this and said... nah I can do better.

So yeah I know it's more cardio, but I just did my upper body yesterday and only had so much time.

Bike 30 minutes, 442 cal, 9.43 miles

I'll probably have to pass tomorrow too, because our daughter has a big dance performance tomorrow.
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Sunday : 05/13 Lower Body Dynamic Day

Squats (DE) -- 10 x 2 fast. 40% weight

Anderson Front Squat (ME) -- Front Squat from low pins. 6 sets.

( complex -- 8 total sets
Dimel Deadlifts (DE) -- 4 x 8 fast. 50% weight.

Hip Bridges (SE8) -- 4 x 8. Same weight as Dimel.
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Midcycle deload from Max Effort, focus on Dynamic Effort
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Entropy, just wanted to let you know you inspired me today.

I was sitting at home debating if I was going to let the 45 minute speed walk/jog this morning, coupled with the mile or so I walked waiting for my son's pre-game soccer practice to finish count as my workout for the day.

I saw this and said... nah I can do better.

So yeah I know it's more cardio, but I just did my upper body yesterday and only had so much time.

Bike 30 minutes, 442 cal, 9.43 miles

I'll probably have to pass tomorrow too, because our daughter has a big dance performance tomorrow.
Awesomeness.
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Sunday : 05/13 Lower Body Dynamic Day

Squats (DE) -- 10 x 2 fast. 40% weight

Anderson Front Squat (ME) -- Front Squat from low pins. 6 sets.

( complex -- 8 total sets
Dimel Deadlifts (DE) -- 4 x 8 fast. 50% weight.

Hip Bridges (SE8) -- 4 x 8. Same weight as Dimel.
)

Midcycle deload from Max Effort, focus on Dynamic Effort
Wish I understood this better. Even with my "Complete Idiots Guide to Weightlifting" I'm lost
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:25 AM   #365 (permalink)
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Wish I understood this better. Even with my "Complete Idiots Guide to Weightlifting" I'm lost
Sorry. The lingo I am using is from Westside Barbell. Westside Barbell Many other programs use this Westside Template and terminology and modify it for their needs. This is very much based on previous Russian methods of training. You can find this stuff on T-Nation as well. Joe Defranco has modified the Westside training for his athletes: Westside for Skinny Bastards, Part III - DeFranco's Training

Westside uses a conjugated methodology as opposed to a strict Western Periodization. The articles sections explains in details the methods used. By conjugate method it just means that in any block of training one is training multiple modalities as opposed to only focusing on one. So instead of having separate long term phases for Strength, Power and Hypertrophy these are trained over the course of the week / month together. One can adjust the priority of these but essewntially what this really means is that at any given time one is lifting heavy. i.e. one lifts week to week upwards of 90% of maximum strength accept during a deload week. These methodes are commonly used by Powerlfiters and other Strength athletes.

So there are Max Effort compound exercises for absolute strength like Squats, Deadlifts, Overhead ( Military ) Presses, Olympic Lifts and Bench Presses with their many variations. One can use various rep ranges for these. 5s, 3s and 1s are common for maximal strength. Rep Ranges -> Strength Basics: Basics: Rep Range

Rep Range % of 1 Rep Max Goal
1 to 4 reps 88% - 100% primarily Power and Strength
4 to 6 reps 83% - 88% some Strength and some Size
6 to 12 reps 70% - 83% primarily Size and some Strength
12 and above 70% and lower primarily Endurance and some Size

ME = Max Effort. Typically this means you are going for the most you can lift in that session for a particular number of reps. ME3 would indicate that one ramps up / pyramids up the poundages in steps doing 3 reps until one cannot do 3 reps any more. This can result from time to time in a lifetime personal record or PR for that exercise for that number of reps. In a cycle I usually go from ME5 to ME3 then ultimately to ME1 from week to week in a given movement. Then a deload where one backs off and prepares for the next cycle. This is an maximal strength goal. Often one "goals to failure" here or close to it. Going to failure can be very taxing so one tries to avoid it for the most part accept late in the cycle when testing of strength occurs. Rep range here is typically 1 - 5 but one can set a a PR at any rep range. These are about performance and measuring progress.

SE = Submaximal Effort. This infers the weights are relatively heavy but are sufficiently less to allow sets across without going to failure on all but maybe the last set. Rep ranges are broader here to cover Strength, Power, Hypertrophy and Endurance. These help build the Max Effort lifts.

RE = Repitition Effort. These are pretty much the same as the SE above accept that it is common t take these to failure and often use higher rep schemes. These and the SE above are pretty much training like a body builder. Yes the best body builders do Max Effort work too but when they do much of that they are training very much like a Powerlifter.

DE = Dynamic Effort. Dynamic Effort is all about developing speed / power. These will use lower weight typically in the 40% to 60% ranges. One may use accomodating resistance in the form of chains, bands and so on along with the weight. Olympic Lifts are used by many. Some use plyometrics / jumping for this. To lift maximal weights one needs strength with a certain amount of explosiveness to break through sticking points.

My weekly training is similar to this:

Tuesday: Upper Body Repitition and / or Dynamic Effort day. This day is somewhat optional based on my work schedule and whether I need more time to recover from the previous week of training. Often Dumbbell work here.

Thursday: Deadlift Day Max Effort. Essentially this is devoted to pulling from the floor. Sometimes I will do Olympic Lifts here as well.

Saturday: Upper Body Max Effort Day. Heavy barbell pressing and rowing here.

Sunday: Squat Max Effort or Dynamic Effort Day. I modulate this day as I am already lifting heavy on Thursdays. This is my favorite day but this is where I tend to over do things.

What you seem to be following in the kettlbell training is a very viable program of progressive overload circuits. Good stuff for overall fitness and well being. You couple this with with other cardio training. Basically you have it together as far as I can tell. Probably overall more healthy than what I am doing. I enjoy lifting heavier and heavier things so my progamming suits these goals. It is as much of a hobby and sport as it is an exercise program for health.

I know all this is TMI.
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:29 AM   #366 (permalink)
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70 lengths today but HATE the pool on a sunday morning. So many people in there was an effing current pulling me under and I think some dude broke my toe even though he was in another lane
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:22 AM   #367 (permalink)
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You continue to amaze me Dolly. Did you get started swimming for a team back in school or has this been a personal passion of yours?
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I used to swim for a club 'back in the day' but I've always loved swimming - I damaged my back trampolining when I was about 14 and have always had knee problems from hurdling so that heavy duty gym stuff isn't really the way forward for me

I used to do a wicked circuit training class with an ex army PT instructor - that was the fittest I've ever been - but he went to live in another part of the country and I've never found anyone as good since
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Wow, Entropy! Thanks for the explanation. It's even more complicated than I thought. I've spent a little time over at T-Nation out of curiosity.
I'm going to have to back up a little bit it in my program now that my binge is winding down
Oh well, it's not how many times you fall, it's how many times you get back up, right?
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Wow, Entropy! Thanks for the explanation. It's even more complicated than I thought. I've spent a little time over at T-Nation out of curiosity.
I'm going to have to back up a little bit it in my program now that my binge is winding down
Oh well, it's not how many times you fall, it's how many times you get back up, right?
We go through cycles. We have to program for them. Cycle in low intensitiy. Some call it active recover. Or just build in some down time. This can be mental. Do not see it as failing. It is actually a natural rythm where our bodies recover and adapt.

Trying to find that balance where you can make sustainable gains without burning out or getting injured is a lesson I failed to learn until way too late in life. Back off to something you can enjoy and sustain. Less can be more.
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Wow, Entropy! Thanks for the explanation. It's even more complicated than I thought. I've spent a little time over at T-Nation out of curiosity.
I'm going to have to back up a little bit it in my program now that my binge is winding down
Oh well, it's not how many times you fall, it's how many times you get back up, right?
T-Nation is a pretty good site, also anabolicminds (which has a lot of cutting edge research articles), and even the infamous elitefitness has some really good info in the forums.
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I go to the gym at random times 5-6 days a week. Been keeping my protein at 200+, and carbs under 150 (except 1 cheat day a week) for 2 months. Have lost 25lbs (mostly fat, some muscle and water) so far, desperately trying to get cut for summer. Sitting at 10%, trying to get back down to below 7.

My advice to anyone is to keep a food journal of protein, carbs in the food you eat. Set attainable goals.

Side note: I watched the Cross-Fit championships today and realize that I couldn't carry those guys sweat towels. Wow, compared to them, I am a fat piece of crap. I should probably start doing Cross-Fit.
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We go through cycles. We have to program for them. Cycle in low intensitiy. Some call it active recover. Or just build in some down time. This can be mental. Do not see it as failing. It is actually a natural rythm where our bodies recover and adapt.

Trying to find that balance where you can make sustainable gains without burning out or getting injured is a lesson I failed to learn until way too late in life. Back off to something you can enjoy and sustain. Less can be more.
You seem to know a lot about working out! I did a lot of it in college but I didn't really research it per se. Just watched and learned what proper technique was a dozen or so exercises and did them regularly.

These days I'm not so focused on getting max strength as I am with getting toned. Sure I want to gain some strength back, but I mostly just want to be healthy and feel good about the way I look. So hopefully I'm not being dumb about it, so I'll spell out what I do and maybe you can give me some tips.

So these days I do upper body work outs 3x a week. I enjoy them and it's something (baring injury) I can see myself doing for life... and not out of compulsion but joy.

I know I should probably mix up my exercises but I do the same exercises each of the 3 days now:

Bench press (flat) 5 sets of 6 reps (5x6), (inclined) 4-5x6, (declined) 4-5x6

Dumbbell Shoulder press 4x6 (should I do more sets and less weight here?)

Lying triceps extension 4-5x6

Barbell curl (biceps) 4-5x6

I've been leaving out back, forearms, neck and lower body.

I'll likely never do neck because I have a lingering injury when my wife and I were hit by a drunk driver 10-12 years ago.

Lower body I don't really do explicitly with weights, through I'm mixing in core exercises via Pilates/Yoga 2-3x a week.

I also do bike machine for 30 minutes a day, and I'm trying to get a good long speed walk/jog around the neighborhood every day. I feel like a slacker though being so gassed trying to jog up hills though.

So do you think I should rotate/change what I'm doing for my upper body? Do you think I should do something more in the gym to help my core out? Are leg workouts really help loose weight much overall? I naturally have a lot of muscle in my legs, so it's an area I felt like I could kind of slack in.

Anyway let me know what you think.
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I am a fat piece of crap.
NO YOU ARE NOT!! There will be NONE of this negative thinking about oneself here!! NONE!!! I FORBID IT!!
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I'm buying a nice little summer dress here in a few weeks and my goal is to lose enough weight to fit into this dress. After the baby i plan on doing this by using the ab circle pro, doing taebo, and getting on nutrisystem. So we will see how well that diet plan goes.
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