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Old 07-27-2012, 09:13 AM   #31 (permalink)
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With the global market and automakers doing work for each other, its alittle harder to distinguish foreign from domestic..Still, some brands have more of a stigmata than others..I'll NEVER buy a chrysler again no matter how much they improve..
And as a result the Benz's from that period are junk too. There's nothing like looking at a guy in S500 burning oil as it rattles away from the light.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:19 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I love both foreign and domestic, just curious if you purchased your domestic vehicles in new condition...
Most of my cars were all like 5 years old to brand new.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:30 AM   #33 (permalink)
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While Detroit is putting out a much better product than it was 20 years ago we find the Hondas and Toyotas to be better built and more worry free. I think the manufacturing qualities are about the same, just the engineering of the vehicle I see a difference in. We own 5 cars in the household. 3 popular Japanese sedans, 1 Japanese sports coupe and 1 American truck. Mileages range from 5K to 120K. Unfortunately the truck which is driven infrequently and has less than 50K on it is the one that sees the shop the most. I find its design in comparison to the other its age very dated and under powered. I really wish I didn't have to say that. The sedan that has over 120K has been in the shop twice since I bought it new.
Ask 100 ASQ certified quality engineers, and I bet that most will agree with you, but then they'll start pulling away from that assessment in recent years on several new Ford platforms. I have an engineer who was a managager in a famous Ford engine facility before relocating to this country, and my employer, and as he says, when you have Toyota and Honda design engineers asking to tour your facility on a regular basis, it says a lot.

But the truck platforms are different, in many aspects. If sales are strong, the internal product groups are not going to allocate significant resources to the development of newer platforms that require an overhaul of the entire manufacturing system.

Its hard to put into everyday terms, but there have been changes in the Japanese auto industry as they sought to adopt newer technologies that required higher new content than they usually allowed, which make people in the automotive quality world look a little harder. I have no doubt that they'll make good quality hybrids, or CV transmissions, but they were very uneasy internally about embracing so much change.

An interesting fact that some might not know - A few decades ago, when W. E. Deming couldn't find acceptance in his home country (America)for his quality concepts that pioneered modern manufacturing standards, he went to Japan and found a welcome reception. Many regard Deming as the father of Japanese auto innovation. But the culture of global collaboration between corporate technology owners has changed dramatically in recent years. New partnerships in computer controls are critical, and some automakers suceed better than others. The industry is evolving, and new countries enter the global market.

Its wierd, I might actually have to stop making fun of chrysler, mitsubishi and jeep one day. Not!
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Didn't mean to prompt the "American"/Canadian war... It was a blonde moment on my part - Yes, the continent is America - lol. However, U.S. Citizens are generally referred to as "Americans". I have never heard of Canadians referring to themselves as "Americans"?

As far as I understand, AMC produced Eagles for the majority of their 8 years run out of plants in Canada. It is actually quite difficult to find one that was assembled in the U.S. - Why not have just called them "Canadian Motors"?

Aside all that, the car is a stout and stable as they come, and was on the road reliably (in my experience), long past the age of 20. I have head that the most common complaints with Eagles are valve cover leaks, "death wobble" and stalling. So, I guess it depends on the vehicle and the upkeep. And probably just luck of the draw - not where it was assembled, that makes the difference. My Eagle is an over-sized lawn ornament at this point, but I refuse to get rid of her.
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Honda all the way. inexpensive parts and easy to maintain. i had an acura integra once that got wrecked. 250 bucks got me a whole new chassis. 5 sockets and a screwdriver took apart darn near the whole car. now i have an 89 acura legend that i picked up for $200 and it is still feels better and has more options than a lot of newer cars we have driven.
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Didn't mean to prompt the "American"/Canadian war... It was a blonde moment on my part - Yes, the continent is America - lol. However, U.S. Citizens are generally referred to as "Americans". I have never heard of Canadians referring to themselves as "Americans"?

As far as I understand, AMC produced Eagles for the majority of their 8 years run out of plants in Canada. It is actually quite difficult to find one that was assembled in the U.S. - Why not have just called them "Canadian Motors"?

Aside all that, the car is a stout and stable as they come, and was on the road reliably (in my experience), long past the age of 20. I have head that the most common complaints with Eagles are valve cover leaks, "death wobble" and stalling. So, I guess it depends on the vehicle and the upkeep. And probably just luck of the draw - not where it was assembled, that makes the difference. My Eagle is an over-sized lawn ornament at this point, but I refuse to get rid of her.
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AMC was a unique company Yin. It was one of the first U.S. based car companies to "outsource" its work, although they did not call it that back then L.O.L.! Remember that Renault had lots of factories in Quebec and Alberta, and Renault and AMC partnered up in the last few years and at one time both were brought under the Chrysler marque . The Eagle you drive was built at a factory that also produced Renaults for the Canadian market.

The Eagle is a neat car. I owned one back in the '80s and I really liked it. Only problem was that damned engine and its goofy offsize bolts.
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I used to be a Moderator for the AMC Eagle's Nest online. Spent a good many years there discussing these "weirdo" cars... And grew to love them immensely. So many things are just - different - about them. Perhaps one of the most aggravating things is the fact that the front diff bolts onto the block. Mine was always loose, which meant I became very skilled at replacing the CV shafts. Go ahead, time me!

It's a shame that they were only produced for 8 years... It's rare that you see one out and about today, most of the ones I know of are garaged and stored. One day, before I die, I would like to drive my Eagle again. Best damn car I ever had!
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Honda all the way. inexpensive parts and easy to maintain. i had an acura integra once that got wrecked. 250 bucks got me a whole new chassis. 5 sockets and a screwdriver took apart darn near the whole car. now i have an 89 acura legend that i picked up for $200 and it is still feels better and has more options than a lot of newer cars we have driven.
I don't know what year Integra you had, but mine was a nightmare whenever something went wrong. I'll never forget having mine on blocks for a week when the timing belt snapped. Had to go out and find a special socket for it - no one had loaners and the darn thing cost me $50!!! Not to mention all of the electrical problems! The last thing I did on that before I sold it was fix the seatbelts. They'd bind up so bad I had to release them to get them off - then they had way too much slack when I drove. Would NOT have prevented me from flying through the windshield if I was ever in an accident.

I've heard at least a few cases of drivers dying in accidents due to the faulty seatbelts. One person who would have survived - had his car door not become ajar during an accident - died when the seatbelt released and sent him flying to his death.

It was a fun car when it ran, though! LoL!
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I have a Mazda 5 right now.

It is without a doubt the worst car I have ever owned. The front end was designed by Tonka... I swear it.
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I have a Mazda 5 right now.

It is without a doubt the worst car I have ever owned. The front end was designed by Tonka... I swear it.
Dude the whole CAR is made by Tonka...
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I owned a Volvo DL that was built on Go To Work Drunk Day by people who just got laid off and it was the 94th straight day of Nordic suicidal darkness.

How do you even break a clutch disengagement fork? It's a tuning fork shaped hexagonal 30mm diameter chunk of aircraft steel.
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for value and maintenance I like honda but the testosterone in me will forever drool over the 70-71 dodge challenger with a six pack.
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Honda is another very good foreign based car that I left out that is extremely reliable.
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So right now I own a 2012 Toyota truck and I totally LOVE it and I've owned about 13 different cars/trucks in my lifetime both American and foreign, and just based on all the experiences I've had with both I think American cars are junk and I have not bought one in probably 15 years(my last car was a Mitsubishi suv before this one). It just seems like most Japanese cars & trucks last a hell of a lot longer and hold up a lot better too.
I absolutely love my Tundra. Best vehicle I've owned. Hit 100k mi just a couple weeks ago.
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Car companies are increasingly using 'world platforms' like Chevy Aveo which used to be a Korean car then it was swapped for an SEAT/Opel/Dacia platform. The result is that these brands wind up all over the world under different logos.
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