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post #31 of 2818 (permalink) Old 11-18-2013, 12:08 PM
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Hope I'm not out of bounds on this one.

I know the one, I think. Lets say you're a Philadelphia Eagles fan. You have a pal who's a New York Giants fan. You trash talk each other about your respective teams a few times a week. That's multiple conversations but its only one topic.

You might say that you trash talk different players each time, therefore it's different topics, but it isn't. The common theme is hatred of your divisional arch rival. The proof is that, even though its a different player each time, it always leads to the same conclusion: the Giants suck! It's that single minded focus on that one theme that means it should be one thread.

Now if you managed to talk about QBs in a relatively objective manner, never implying that the team affiliation is the most important quality of a QB, then that sounds like a different topic, one that other fans who aren't interested in trash talk might be interested in.
I was very careful to just present my side of the issue without resorting to name calling or anything remotely against the rules.

I wasn't doing any trash talking. That wasn't true of everybody.

So, when it is appropriate to ban someone... and when is it appropriate to lock the thread?

I am trying to abide by the rules, but I'm unclear...

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So, when it is appropriate to ban someone... and when is it appropriate to lock the thread?
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When banning active and standing members, we try and hold it to the litmus test of the forum guidelines. Respect, name calling, baiting ....... But it is still a judgement call.

Generally when a thread is locked it has come to the point that the mods have been spending an inordinate amount of time managing it. It could be because it is too argumentative, visceral, unending hijacks or beaten into the ground. In many cases the mods will note the reason in the last post. In some cases the entire forum is nearly locked down as happened in P&A a couple of weeks back. (Yes that was me)

Restarting the thread or the behavior that was warned about will earn a ban. We tend to liken it to having members thumb their noses at us.

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I was very careful to just present my side of the issue without resorting to name calling or anything remotely against the rules.

I wasn't doing any trash talking. That wasn't true of everybody.

So, when it is appropriate to ban someone... and when is it appropriate to lock the thread?

I am trying to abide by the rules, but I'm unclear...
You weren't banned, but the person who created multiple threads with a different title, yet basically the same topic (ie. "Hate the Giants") was. You may have posted to each of the threads, but you didn't create them.

A thread may get locked when it gets too heated, but that doesn't necessarily result in a ban. It could if someone says something that is clearly against the forum rules requiring respect.

A person could get banned for violating the respect rules or the rules against opening threads to continue an argument from a locked thread, opening a new thread that is a rehash of an existing thread, or starting a thread just to start an argument.

I guess some see a gray area in the thread rules, but I think it's pretty clear. In my example, you could open one thread called Eagles-Giants Trash Talk instead of multiple threads with different titles that EVERYBODY recognizes as Eagles-Giants trash talk. The theme is so obvious (Eli Manning is overrated and the Giants are the worst team ever!) that it's silly to claim its a different topic. Every ostensibly different topic is an entry point to the same final conclusion that the Giants suck. Hence they should all be in the same thread.
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When banning active and standing members, we try and hold it to the litmus test of the forum guidelines. Respect, name calling, baiting ....... But it is still a judgement call.

Generally when a thread is locked it has come to the point that the mods have been spending an inordinate amount of time managing it. It could be because it is too argumentative, visceral, unending hijacks or beaten into the ground. In many cases the mods will note the reason in the last post. In some cases the entire forum is nearly locked down as happened in P&A a couple of weeks back. (Yes that was me)

Restarting the thread or the behavior that was warned about will earn a ban. We tend to liken it to having members thumb their noses at us.
Can you clarify for me what you consider "baiting".

P&A? Politics and Religion?
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Repeated postings that are only intended to solicit an angry response or get another member in trouble.

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You weren't banned, but the person who created multiple threads with a different title, yet basically the same topic (ie. "Hate the Giants") was. You may have posted to each of the threads, but you didn't create them.

A thread may get locked when it gets too heated, but that doesn't necessarily result in a ban. It could if someone says something that is clearly against the forum rules requiring respect.

A person could get banned for violating the respect rules or the rules against opening threads to continue an argument from a locked thread, opening a new thread that is a rehash of an existing thread, or starting a thread just to start an argument.

I guess some see a gray area in the thread rules, but I think it's pretty clear. In my example, you could open one thread called Eagles-Giants Trash Talk instead of multiple threads with different titles that EVERYBODY recognizes as Eagles-Giants trash talk. The theme is so obvious (Eli Manning is overrated and the Giants are the worst team ever!) that it's silly to claim its a different topic. Every ostensibly different topic is an entry point to the same final conclusion that the Giants suck. Hence they should all be in the same thread.
But, the nature of politics... you are going to have arguments. As long as everybody is respectful.. what's the problem.. The only time we're wasting rehashing is our own... as long as people are respectful.

Different people come and go from the thread so you might end up making the same point multiple times... with multiple posters.
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I like Conrad. However, I know he has got a political ax to grind. TAM ultimately is not a forum about politics. It is interesting to consider posters' poltical attitudes as part of their personality. I can measure a persons reasoning about ethical and moral issues better if I read what they write about political quesions.

I am still embarrassed by what I wrote to Diwali to earn my second ban.

Do the moderators reply to banned persons who write and request clarification? Are permanent bans ever reconsidered?
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I like Conrad. However, I know he has got a political ax to grind. TAM ultimately is not a forum about politics. It is interesting to consider posters' poltical attitudes as part of their personality. I can measure a persons reasoning about ethical and moral issues better if I read what they write about political quesions.

I am still embarrassed by what I wrote to Diwali to earn my second ban.

Do the moderators reply to banned persons who write and request clarification? Are permanent bans ever reconsidered?
But, TAM Does have a forum under it's umbrella that is specifically for Politics and Religion.
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But, TAM Does have a forum under it's umbrella that is specifically for Politics and Religion.
Please give it a rest Hambone! I think 827Aug is correct, find another place;
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Please give it a rest Hambone! I think 827Aug is correct, find another place;
Does this message apply to everyone?

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Does this message apply to everyone?
I'm sure it does, however if your understanding of the guidelines is hazy it could still be an issue, right? You can have a discussion without being argumentative. When you sense that there's an impasse, just agree to disagree. You don't score more points by having more posts or more threads or the last post.

Personally, I see a lot of threads end up in a loop where it's pretty clear that each side rejects the other's argument. Those aren't winnable by anyone.

Resist the temptation to try to 'win' by these methods: claiming victory, saying "you got nothing", calling the other argument naive, childish, simplistic. Once again, you can't win this type of debate.

When I enter this type of discussion it is to explore the other side's thinking. I find there is always a point when I've learned all I'm going to learn and further debate gets less productive. You'll recognize that when people say, "I explained this earlier," or "this is my last word on the subject".

If you want everyone to agree with you on a topic, find a like minded discussion group.
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Please give it a rest Hambone! I think 827Aug is correct, find another place;
Could you be more specific? Give what a rest?

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I'm sure it does, however if your understanding of the guidelines is hazy it could still be an issue, right? You can have a discussion without being argumentative. When you sense that there's an impasse, just agree to disagree. You don't score more points by having more posts or more threads or the last post.

Personally, I see a lot of threads end up in a loop where it's pretty clear that each side rejects the other's argument. Those aren't winnable by anyone.

Resist the temptation to try to 'win' by these methods: claiming victory, saying "you got nothing", calling the other argument naive, childish, simplistic. Once again, you can't win this type of debate.

When I enter this type of discussion it is to explore the other side's thinking. I find there is always a point when I've learned all I'm going to learn and further debate gets less productive. You'll recognize that when people say, "I explained this earlier," or "this is my last word on the subject".

If you want everyone to agree with you on a topic, find a like minded discussion group.
Why are you lecturing me about the part in bold?
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Why are you lecturing me about the part in bold?
Not you personally, but since you said earlier that you were vague on the subtleties of what was thread lock worthy and what was ban worthy I thought I'd throw that in. I've seen all of those things lead to thread-locks and a stern warning from a mod when people just didn't know when to quit.
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Not you personally, but since you said earlier that you were vague on the subtleties of what was thread lock worthy and what was ban worthy I thought I'd throw that in. I've seen all of those things lead to thread-locks and a stern warning from a mod when people just didn't know when to quit.
Is that part that I bolded... is that thread lock worthy? Or ban worthy?
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