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post #31 of 128 (permalink) Old 10-22-2019, 12:49 PM
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This is an offensive post. If a married man tries to have sex with another women and the women says no isnít he still a cheater? What amount emotional affairs?

Also what if he tells the women he isnt married? What if she is single and she wants to have sex with whoever she wants... she isnít technically cheating.

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How does a man become a cheater without a woman giving enthusiastic consent?

If you read that without assuming I mean something, that's what you get.
All those studies speak about are male sex drives as compared with female. You are assuming all men are heterosexual and only cheat with women. Plenty of gay and bi-sexual men who cheat with other men. Plenty of self described "straight" men who will have sex with other men when women are not available (prison sex).

No, women are not gate keepers for cheating men.
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A man cannot cheat without consent from the partner. That consent, may or may not be informed consent as well. Ultimately, the man has the ability to not stick is pecker into every open gate, and the wife can be more willing to open the gate. There is generally a lot of nuance involved when one gets to the point of infidelity, but only one party is responsible for where they willingly put their privates.
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Because out of sheer selfishness, she won't open the gate up, thus causing hubby to go off and clandestinely stray somewhere else, where there is an open gate policy!
So, he can't be a cheater unless some woman opens the gate? Because that's what I've been trying to say.

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A man cannot cheat without consent from the partner. That consent, may or may not be informed consent as well. Ultimately, the man has the ability to not stick is pecker into every open gate, and the wife can be more willing to open the gate. There is generally a lot of nuance involved when one gets to the point of infidelity, but only one party is responsible for where they willingly put their privates.
If the gate is not open, can a man pass through?

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How does a man become a cheater without a woman giving enthusiastic consent?
One way for a man to have sex with a woman who has not given enthusiastic consent to have sex as part of a transactional relationship, such as paying for sex, exchanging sex for drugs, or giving preferred consideration upon completion of the sex act. If such a man was married, he would be a cheater even though the women were not enthusiastic.
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All those studies speak about are male sex drives as compared with female. You are assuming all men are heterosexual and only cheat with women. Plenty of gay and bi-sexual men who cheat with other men. Plenty of self described "straight" men who will have sex with other men when women are not available (prison sex).

No, women are not gate keepers for cheating men.
That's off topic.

No, I'm excluding those who are not heterosexual because I don't have studies that suggest sexual preference, only men and women. These studies do not say if the participants were hetero or homosexual. That's why I didn't bring it up.

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One way for a man to have sex with a woman who has not given enthusiastic consent to have sex as part of a transactional relationship, such as paying for sex, exchanging sex for drugs, or giving preferred consideration upon completion of the sex act. If such a man was married, he would be a cheater even though the women were not enthusiastic.
Oh, but they were enthusiastic. They needed something and bartered for it with their body. Few men will be asked to do that. You seem to support my theory.

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Okay @2ntnuf, I think you are seeking validation for your argument but I will let it ride.

I am going to move this thread to the infidelity sub forum.
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I've highlighted what got you started. It's the same as what you highlighted.



How does a man become a cheater without a woman giving enthusiastic consent?

If you read that without assuming I mean something, that's what you get.
Easy.

He has sex with another man.

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I disagree.
Uh, is that an argument?
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Oh, but they were enthusiastic. They needed something and bartered for it with their body. Few men will be asked to do that. You seem to support my theory.
Why do you think those women were enthusiastic? When I've watched documentaries about people on drugs, they do not seem enthusiastic when describing having to engage in sex to get money for their habit. The same with the women working in massage parlors giving happy endings. That seems like a huge assumption on your part to say that those women were enthusiastic about having sex. It seems much more like they were having sex under duress. I think you need to provide a little bit more evidence to prove your point if you're saying they were enthusiastic.
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This is an offensive post. If a married man tries to have sex with another women and the women says no isn’t he still a cheater? What amount emotional affairs?

Also what if he tells the women he isnt married? What if she is single and she wants to have sex with whoever she wants... she isn’t technically cheating.
I don't think your post is offensive. Why didn't you use the singular "woman"?

If the woman says no, he is not a cheater, but a rapist, if he has sex with her.

If he tells her a lie or not, and she opens the gate, who has allowed sex to happen?


I seriously don't understand that last question.

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Why do you think those women were enthusiastic? When I've watched documentaries about people on drugs, they do not seem enthusiastic when describing having to engage in sex to get money for their habit. The same with the women working in massage parlors giving happy endings. That seems like a huge assumption on your part to say that those women were enthusiastic about having sex. It seems much more like they were having sex under duress. I think you need to provide a little bit more evidence to prove your point if you're saying they were enthusiastic.
This is too far from topic. Start a thread and I'll explain.

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Uh, is that an argument?
Did you want one?

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Listen, maybe my life hasnít been the norm, but Iíve had women have to work to ďgetĒ sex from me. And Iím far from looking like the cover of a romance novel.

Women are almost exactly like men. Only more so. We just really pay attention to the differences.
On the first paragraph, congratulations. I didn't even comment on that.

On the second paragraph, I disagree that women are almost exactly like men. The rest of that wasn't anything of value, just comments emphasizing your first sentence.

If you read the links I posted, they will corroborate.

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