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post #16 of 61 (permalink) Old 04-01-2016, 11:44 AM
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Re: How would you interpret this?

The wonderful thing about being a volunteer is that if they try to mistreat you, you can tell them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine, without having to worry about how you are going to pay your bills. Good job not letting them guilt you into anything!


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Re: How would you interpret this?

My wife was elected president of our grade school PTO a number of years ago. The school had about 350 kids so there were a lot of people involved in the organization. Not all of them knew how to behave professionally, though most did.

The prior president was such a lousy leader that the treasurer was able to embezzle over $20,000 under her nose over the course of a couple of years.

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All books should be open to all members.

A few years later, we joined the high school marching band parents organization. That was another clique of unprofessional parents running an organization for the benefit of their friends and family.

It takes a strong president to run a good organization.
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I am VP of a local chapter of a larger volunteer organization. A committee is being formed to develop a chapter in a neighboring city.

The President of my chapter wrote me this in an e-mail:

"I'm pretty sure you'll be interested in helping with this outreach. Just give me the green light and I'll make sure you stay in the loop and can join us when we get to some concrete actions."

How would you interpret this?
She has either

a) read an encyclopedia of buzzwords or is using a random buzzword generation program.

and/or

b) Just completed an online course on how to sound like a manager without really saying anything.

Either way that was passive aggressive and patronizing.

The way I read that is that she and others will set the boundaries and guidelines without any input from you and then inform you with a "make it so" kind of email so that it is entirely in your hands if problems occur and she can take the honors for the planning if it's a success.

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This is how I responded:

"You mention "I'll make sure you stay in the loop and can join us when we get to some concrete actions." Who is "we"? And does this mean my input is not welcomed on this matter? I would like to contribute to the planning in addition to carrying out the activities."

Would you say that my response was proportional or psycho?
I think that was pretty restrained considering.

From your other post she sounds like the type of person that gets involved in volunteer work to take the glory rather than the altruistic reasons that genuine volunteer workers have.

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Re: How would you interpret this?

With the additional back ground info you supplied my opinion is the VP is hoping to steer this current project herself or give someone else a chance to manage it and is including you in the loop as a courtesy because of your past contributions or because she is trying to gently let you know you won't be involved as deeply in this project as you have been with past projects. There's nothing wrong with an organization looking for fresh ideas and trying different options.

Frankly I'm not sure why you find offense with this, I think you are being overly sensitive. So what if they plan something without you being involved, that doesn't mean they're treating their volunteers badly. I think if you take this to a "higher level" it's just going to make you childish. If you still want to help the organization go with the flow and do what you can, otherwise just sit this one out.
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I am VP of a local chapter of a larger volunteer organization. A committee is being formed to develop a chapter in a neighboring city.

The President of my chapter wrote me this in an e-mail:

"I'm pretty sure you'll be interested in helping with this outreach. Just give me the green light and I'll make sure you stay in the loop and can join us when we get to some concrete actions."

How would you interpret this?
Poorly worded and transparent directive. This person is attempting to give you what amounts to the illusion of choice in the matter of whether or not you join in the project.

Alternatively...depending upon this person's past actions...it could be an attempt to get you to provide insight into what "concrete actions" should/could be done and how they might be implemented. This allows for your input without directly asking you to do their job.

on another note..."pretty sure"...is weak-speak for "please"..."make sure you stay in the loop"...is an attempt to establish who is in charge...which was totally countered by the previous statement of "give me the green-light".....in the final analysis...poor leadership.

OR...if you really dig deep....what this person really meant was..."It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again"- AND "like me, like me, like me, like me...PLEASE"

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With the additional back ground info you supplied my opinion is the VP I'm the VP, she is the President. is hoping to steer this current project herself or give someone else a chance to manage it and is including you in the loop as a courtesy because of your past contributions or because she is trying to gently let you know you won't be involved as deeply in this project as you have been with past projects. There's nothing wrong with an organization looking for fresh ideas and trying different options. I only became VP last spring. So I'm pretty fresh myself. I would have thought that the Pres and VP works together and makes these kinds of decisions. Why would the Pres want to play me off other people. What's the point of having elections if the President treats the rest of the officers with same regard as nyone else off the street?

Frankly I'm not sure why you find offense with this, I think you are being overly sensitive. Maybe, because like most women I want to be loved for my mind (planning) as well as for my body (execution) So what if they plan something without you being involved, that doesn't mean they're treating their volunteers badly, if you still want to help the organization go with the flow if I wanted to just go with the flow, then I would not have run for an office. If and do what you can, otherwise just sit this one out.
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See above.
Sorry, my bad. I must have skimmed thru your first post too quickly, I thought you stated the VP had sent you the message and you were a volunteer.

So changing my answer....Yes as a VP you should be involved in any organizational planning for your area or chapter. I would guess the president feels an obligation to try and keep you in the loop because of your position but doesn't necessarily want to work with you and doesn't value your opinion.

In that light I would say her email was both dismissive and condescending.

Why not show up to all meetings? Don't wait to be invited, I'm sure you have other contacts in the organization to let you know when a meeting is taking place. You do have a right to be there unless something in the organizations bylaws gives the president absolute power to structure and direct the organization as she sees fit, and if that was the case why have elected officials other than the president.
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Sorry, my bad. I must have skimmed thru your first post too quickly, I thought you stated the VP had sent you the message and you were a volunteer.

So changing my answer....Yes as a VP you should be involved in any organizational planning for your area or chapter. I would guess the president feels an obligation to try and keep you in the loop because of your position but doesn't necessarily want to work with you and doesn't value your opinion.

In that light I would say her email was both dismissive and condescending.

Why not show up to all meetings? Don't wait to be invited, I'm sure you have other contacts in the organization to let you know when a meeting is taking place. You do have a right to be there unless something in the organizations bylaws gives the president absolute power to structure and direct the organization as she sees fit, and if that was the case why have elected officials other than the president.
Thanks for that Cooper.

My guess here is that some of the committee may be made of people at the Country level. 4 of which I have met. And judging from the entire e-mail that the President sent to me, this committee could be looking at not only our region in this country but a couple of others. Could the head of the committee only want one person per chapter officially involved?

Still, I want to know who is involved; regular updates; thought process of the members and so on.

And yes, I do find it insulting that they are happy to accept my donkey work but not accept any thoughts and input out in the planning.

We'll see what the President has to say. But without explicitly telling her (as I may change my mind), I could easily see myself turning down her summons to do some work. Imagine being asked to set up and close down (ie clean up.) No thanks.

I'm glad to ruminate here so that I can be very evenhanded when I speak with her.

So more comments please.........
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I am not sure of what the meaning is but I do know what my response would be:

"At the end of the day it would be a no-brainer and involve us thinking completely outside the box in order to, going forward, achieve 110% a win-win situation and will be on my radar, flagging up at the close of play for me to touch base with you. Suffice it to say that the ensuing paradigm shift will have me beside myself, jumping out of my skin to square the circle, if you get my drift."
+1 for including "paradigm". More points if you could work in "synergistic".

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We're you elected VP? Nominated or endorsed by the Pres?

Unfortunately, volunteer organizations can have internal politics, people with hidden agendas, personality conflicts, cliques, etc. All counterproductive to the actual mission of the org.

You should decide if those "other" issues are worth it or whether you just want to contribute to the overall org's mission and ignore the rest. I've joined, also served as officer and/or board on a few and left some of those because I felt my time was more valuable than the BS required to serve - even though the org does good work.
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Re: How would you interpret this?

I need more info on your relationship with this person. Do you have another thread ? My view is a horse is a house until it is a zebra. Questioning this is healthy just need more info to deciede.

I think your response was a good one.
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+1 for including "paradigm". More points if you could work in "synergistic".
Actually the meaningless/overused/frivolous phrases I am most proud of include:

At the end of the day…

No brainer…

Thinking outside the box…

Going forward…

Achieve 110%…

Win-win situation…

On my radar…

Flagging up…

Close of play…

Touch base…

Beside myself…

Jumping out of my skin…

Square the circle…

Get my drift...


in addition to paradigm shift. Must admit, synergistic should be in there too.

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Re: How would you interpret this?

@manfromlamancha,

in the message that I received from the Chapter President, what trigger words did you see there?
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I need more info on your relationship with this person. Do you have another thread ? My view is a horse is a house until it is a zebra. Questioning this is healthy just need more info to deciede.

I think your response was a good one.
More information? Anything in particular? I've already given some background information, but maybe you could point me to additional aspects that I should consider.
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