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The few child marriages I personally know of were teen girls who got pregnant by older men. The idea wasn't to avoid statutory charges, but to avoid welfare. I can't say I approve, but I can't say I disapprove of parents marrying to provide for mother and baby, either.

These were all consensual relationships, though, and the marriages weren't instigated by the parents.
One of them had to be approved by the court as the parents refused to sign. They're still married. The other two aren't.

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I would like to see the minimum marriage age be the same as the age of consent. 18 may be too high, maybe 16 is more reasonable. Or maybe 18, but possible for those as young as 16 to be treated as adults after some formal education / counseling / testing.

Child marriage is an abomination.

The existing laws seem based on an archaic and offensive idea of ensuring that young girls need to maintain their value (eg virginity) until they have been married off. So parents can marry off a young girl but its illegal for her to consent to sex on her own.
In the UK its 16 with parents permission and 18 if not. I doubt many parents would give permission for their child to marry at 16, let alone 11 to a pheodopile.
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When I was in 10th or 11th grade there was a girl in one of my classes that was married. She wasn't pregnant, just got married at 16. This was the early 80's. I remember her showing us her professional wedding photographs so it wasn't a "let's run off and get married" thing. We all thought it was weird. I mean who gets married at 16 in Southern California, that stuff happens in the South, lol. Her husband looked older but then when you are 15 and 16, anyone older than 21 looks old, I guess.
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Looks like just another way, I'm reckoning, that the GOP is working to steadfastly try to solidify, thus attempting to totally lock up the youth vote!

This practice in legality is beyond pathetic!!

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Looks like just another way, I'm reckoning, that the GOP is working to steadfastly try to solidify, thus attempting to totally lock up the youth vote!

This practice in legality is beyond pathetic!!
I'm not sure why you are trying to blame this on the GOP.

The laws are made by both parties.

For example in California a child can get married with parental and judicial consent at any age.

Unlike most Western countries, half of the US states do not have a legal minimum age of marriage. While in most US states, individuals age 18 have a right to marriage (with two exceptions—Nebraska (19) and Mississippi (21)), all states allow minors to marry in certain circumstances, such as parental consent, judicial consent, pregnancy, or a combination of these situations.

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I'm not sure why you are trying to blame this on the GOP.

The laws are made by both parties.

For example in California a child can get married with parental and judicial consent at any age.

Unlike most Western countries, half of the US states do not have a legal minimum age of marriage. While in most US states, individuals age 18 have a right to marriage (with two exceptions—Nebraska (19) and Mississippi (21)), all states allow minors to marry in certain circumstances, such as parental consent, judicial consent, pregnancy, or a combination of these situations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of..._United_States
Simply because the GOP has the vast majority of the state houses locked up, as well as the governorships, and, to wit, they refuse to do a damned thing about it!

If you read the article, the esteemed GOP governor of New Jersey, vetoed a Democratic bill thus raising the age in that jurisdiction!

Let's call him as our first witness to ask why!

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Simply because the GOP has the vast majority of the state houses locked up, as well as the governorships, and, to wit, they refuse to do a damned thing about it!

If you read the article, the esteemed GOP governor of New Jersey, vetoed a Democratic bill thus raising the age in that jurisdiction!

Let's call him as our first witness to ask why!
We don't have to call him as a witness as it's public record why he vetoed the bill. Below is from an article that quotes him.

Also note that there is no state in the USA that bans child marriage. Most states would allow a 1 year old to be married if the parents consent. Some would require a judge to also consent. Since these laws were put into place by people from all political parties, it's ridiculous to blame one party.
TRENTON -- Gov. Chris Christie on Thursday rejected a bill that would have barred all teenagers from getting married in New Jersey before they turn 18, suggesting instead that lawmakers tighten the state's current marriage restrictions on minors.

Christie's move prevents New Jersey from becoming the first state in the U.S. to outright ban marriage before age 18, without exceptions.

Supporters of the bill (A3091) say it was designed to protect girls from being forced into arranged marriages.

In his veto message, Christie wrote that "protecting the well-being, dignity, and freedom of minors is vital, but the severe bar this bill creates is not necessary to address the concerns voiced by the bill's proponents and does not comport with the sensibilities and, in some cases, the religious customs, of the people of this state."

Instead, Christie suggested lawmakers amend the measure to bar anyone under 16 from getting married and require a judge to approve a marriage license for anyone 16 or 17.

"An exclusion without exceptions would violate the cultures and traditions of some communities in New Jersey based on religious traditions," the Republican governor wrote.
Under current New Jersey law, those who are 16 and 17 can obtain marriage licenses with the consent of their parents. Those under 16 need both parental consent and approval from a judge.

Christie also said it's "disingenuous" that a 16-year-olds would be banned from marriage when they are allowed in New Jersey to consent to sex and obtain an abortion without parental knowledge.

Christie's veto is a conditional veto, meaning the state Legislature can choose to make his changes and send a new version of the bill to the governor's desk.

Christie rejects ban on marriage for N.J. teens under 18 | NJ.com

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When I was in 10th or 11th grade there was a girl in one of my classes that was married. She wasn't pregnant, just got married at 16. This was the early 80's. I remember her showing us her professional wedding photographs so it wasn't a "let's run off and get married" thing. We all thought it was weird. I mean who gets married at 16 in Southern California, that stuff happens in the South, lol. Her husband looked older but then when you are 15 and 16, anyone older than 21 looks old, I guess.
I know a couple in Texas who married when she was 16 and he 15. That was about 2 years ago.
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In the UK its 16 with parents permission and 18 if not. I doubt many parents would give permission for their child to marry at 16, let alone 11 to a pheodopile.
@Diana7, as @twoofus has previously pointed out in this thread, that's not the case in the UK, only England, Wales and NI, the situation is very different in Scotland where the legal age (parental consent or not) is 16.



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