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Heartbroken and Growing Impatient

Hi Everyone,

This is my first thread, besides my intro. I've been checking out this and other boards for a while and do see lots of people in similar situations, though mine seems a bit unusual.

I am 36 and have been with my wife for 14 years 10.5 of which we have been married. We have three young children together, 8, 6 and 3 years old.

About 3 and a half months ago, after an argument one day, my wife told me she would like me to move out of the house, in a trial separation of sorts. I was taken a bit back by this.

I did sense something was building with her. She had started a new job in May that was very demanding and required her to work late and travel. I stepped up and took over both drop off and pick up duties for the kids school/daycare as before it was more of a split. I typically do most of the cooking and cleaning anyway, plus we have an Au Pair so we do have help.

The argument developed on the tail end of a business trip where she was gone almost a full week. Upon getting home she started complaining how things were messy and how I didn't care about the house and that the garage was a mess. I mistakenly got defensive, I mean she was gone an entire week, I was left with all of the responsibilities of the kids and the house. Did she expect I'd finally get to the garage while she was gone?

Then it progressed, there have been problems for years. She will always love me but doesn't feel in love with me. She isn't happy and this is not how she pictured her life. She thought we would be more financially secure by now and we are not. She doesn't think I care enough about her and she wanted me to leave.

I told her I wasn't leaving. I spend most of the time with the kids, I do pick ups and drop offs and homework. They cry for me when they wake up in the middle of the night. She was free to go if she wanted. I work full time. She makes a bit more money than I do, but not when you divide by all the hours we work. I've never been unemployed and have consistently earned 6 figures throughout out marriage and managed to be a present parent and a present husband.

In the end I decided to start sleeping upstairs in a spare bedroom as a compromise as we really can't afford a second apartment and all of my family is in New York and we live in Florida.

Rewind a bit:

Have I been perfect? Hell no. We were in our mid twenties when we got married. I was young and naive. I may have ignored some early signs of turmoil inadvertently. There were times during the pregnancy where we both gained lots of weight and I didn't look very good. We had babies sleeping in our beds and we were not intimate very often. We did pump out 3 babies in 5 years so there were lots of ups and downs as far as intimacy, weight gains and losses as well as stress and arguments. I had a hard time getting childcare so we can have alone time. My parents couldn't or wouldn't help as much as my wife thought they should (financially and babysitting) which caused other stressors. The fact that I didn't demand more of them upset her. She is an only child and only grandchild so a bit spoiled. I have three siblings, my parents are not wealthy and my mother would later develop cancer. My other siblings are kind of deadbeats and I was the successful son and didn't want to burden them.

In the end though I was always supportive of her. If she wanted to work, or stay home (she changed her mind a lot), what care she needed/wanted for the babies. I literally went to every OB appointment for all three pregnancies. I'd leave work or take off if she felt sick, woke up in the middle of the night to keep her company while she breast fed. Woke up myself and let her sleep so I can bottle feed and change diapers even though I had work the next day. Whatever it took to make her happy, or what I thought would make her happy I did.

I have never cheated on my wife, never have come close. I would never put myself in a situation to even be tempted as my family is the most important thing to me. I've never ever hit her. I don't have expensive hobbies or gamble or have made financial decisions without consulting her.

I routinely wake up early to help my wife get out of the house to her early gym class that she likes to take and sacrifice my own work to let her work. She is brilliant and currently a step away from becoming an executive at a large company. She has more potential for earnings, I admit it, so I do the best I can to help her achieve her goals and dreams while still earning a pretty good living where I can be flexible enough to pick up the slack with the kids.

In early 2018, my wife was working with this personal trainer/ "life coach". The trainer was a female. My wife became a bit enamoured with her and was acting strangely. She was shutting me out and I noticed she started sleeping with her phone under her pillow. Going against my belief that she deserves privacy, I couldn't' help myself. I took her phone quietly one night and started reading texts with this trainer. It turns out there was a bit of an emotional affair with this person going on. SHe even kissed her once, on New Years Eve, which happens to be the anniversary we met. I must have been distracted (and a bit drunk) entertaining when it occurred.

I was devastated. She woke up in a panic and begged for the phone back and asked me to stop reading. So I did. I was hurt angry and demanded she stopped seeing the trainer. She wouldn't. SO I contacted the trainer which caused further strains. The trainer assured me that my wife just had a girl crush and that she was straight and not interested in my wife.

We started seeing a therapist, though the therapist focused more on my wife and didn't require me to go very often. I started focusing on myself. I got a new better paying and more fulfilling job and started working out again. Dieting came easy as I was love sick and had no appetite. I got fit fast. I shed 50 lbs and added 15 in muscle. I shaved my head and let go of the few wisps of hair remaining and grew more confident.

At this point my wife and the "life coach" had a falling out and it got ugly. I'm talking this woman calling CPS making false claims and the cops at our house several times. My wife ended up being served a restraining order at work causing her to get fired. Legal fees ensued and the restraining order upheld preventing my wife from visiting our won HOA clubhouse during certain times for a year. Turns out this life coach specialized in ruining marriages. We had uncovered some other people hard done by her. The strange part is how she had a hold on my wife who is typically so strong and it was so out of character. Almost like she had a spell on her.

I supported my wife throughout. I took her side and was determined not to let this woman destroy us. Along with my improved physical appearance this helped a lot. We started becoming more affectionate and planning date nights and little get aways. Things got really good and would remain so for nearly a year.

During the good period my wife took a job which was relatively low stress compared to what she was used to. She didn't have much choice it was what she could find. Things were good. Then as mentioned this past May she took this more demanding higher paying job and that's when I started noticing things falling apart again. I tried to prevent another breakdown but maybe didn't do enough. I don't know I wish I could go back and try something else but I can't. She is more irritable. Seemingly blames me for all of life's problems.

I am confused and hurt. I thought she might be cheating on me again (she denies the trist with the trainer was cheating but it was). She insists she's not. Some snooping and her schedule make me believe she is not. I mean unless she is an evil mastermind I doubt she is.

We are seeing a new therapist, but our joint sessions seems to strain things more so we have been doing solo sessions. Things seem to start getting better and progressing, then she regresses again.

Its very hot and cold. She expects me to carry on doing everything a husband would do. She texts me when she gets yelled at at work and needs comfort. When she was sick recently I stayed home to take her to the doctor and make her soup. She locked her keys in the car and calls me. She asks for back or foot rubs when she is sore from the gym or wearing heels. We have our normal nightly routine where we watch TV together and chat. We do things together as a family (i.e. have a short Disney trip planned this weekend and a trip to NY for Christmas). But in the end she won't let me (or invite me because I've stopped asking) back into bed and obviously no sex or intimacy. Prior to 4 months ago we were pretty routinely getting it in at least 4 times per month, before her new job even more.

She still undresses in front of me, showers in front of me. It's very difficult for me. I'm very attracted to her. I love her (or a version of her I know she can be when she is less stressed). I know 4 months without sex isn't that long, I've seen people posting going years without it. I'm trying to be patient and understanding and more helpful. The more I do though the more I am asked to do. I'm not perfect and mess some stuff up or forget stuff and she always uses it to confirm her feelings that I suck. Its hurting my confidence and affecting my performance at work. It's like I can do a million things right and the one mess up erases it all. She is hard on me and verbally so. I'm usually able to let it roll off my back, but I have Sicilian blood in me and when in the wrong mood I snap back sometimes making it even worse.

She sometimes will come over and hug me, usually while I'm sleeping and plant a kiss on my head. Sometimes she kisses me hello and goodbye before work, sometimes she pulls away with a nasty look when I try to kiss her or hug her. That hurts.

Strangely my wife would sometimes initiate sex with me in her sleep. When I was in bed with her and I'd be sleeping too it would sometimes turn to sex. She would remember that we had sex the next day but did not remember initiating it. Pretty recently I tried to wake her up (she fell asleep on the couch) to get her to bed and she started making out with me. I laughed it off woke her up more fully and put her in bed. If we're both sleeping that's one thing but I was awake and it would have been wrong, as nice as the kiss was, to try and get more out of it. It's almost as though there is a part of her deep inside that wants me and is trying to get out. I don't know it's confusing.

I know the above is a lot. Any comments, advice or observations would be appreciated. I think just typing this all out was very therapeutic for me.

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I was devastated. She woke up in a panic and begged for the phone back and asked me to stop reading. So I did. I was hurt angry and demanded she stopped seeing the trainer. She wouldn't.

The bolded part is the issue. You don't command her respect, so you lose with this relationship. Also, red flags all over for an affair. All this comes down to respect. If you don't have it in a relationship, it's going to be a very long bumpy ride in which you will lose in the end.
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Thank you for your observation. I agree with you, it feels as though she does not respect me. I don't know what I can do to command it either. When I stand up for myself and push back it can get real ugly.

Recently i had enough one night and told her that as much as I didn't want to break up the family we may need to divorce. We would need to sell the house in order to really separate. She kind of panicked when I really got down to the plan. She said I would pay alimony and she would keep the house. I laughed that off and said I did the research, even if she was awarded alimony *which she wouldn't because she earns more money than me, it would be a pittance and she still wouldn't be able to afford it. Not to mention how suing for alimony would effectively bankrupt us both.

She started crying that she didn't want to break up the family and it was at this point she agreed to counseling again. Fast forward a few months she really hasn't made any effort, besides going to the meetings, to actually fixing the relationship.

Call me old fashioned, but I made vows and promises in front of our friends and family. I don't want to give up on her as I know without the stresses she is a good partner. We compliment each other and have achieved a lot together. She is a great mother, when she's not working. She is beautiful and intelligent and I love her.

With all that being said I am terribly unhappy with the situation. I'm still a young guy at 36. I am in the best shape of my life and I have a lot to offer to somebody who is willing to accept my love. And my wife does seem willing to accept it, she just is not willing to reciprocate it at the moment.

How do I command more respect? It's such a tightrope to walk. I need to be sensitive but strong, confident yet modest. I need to command respect without being a jerk or seeming possessive. It's a really hard game to win. Sometimes I want to throw in my chips, heal and start new.

Then I think of my 3 year old and that he won't even remember having his family in tact if I left. Or my 8 year old who may remember and long for the times mommy and daddy were together. It breaks my heart. I don't know which is worse. At the end of the day all I really need is some love and affection from my wife and for her to take some responsibility for what is not perfect in our lives. At the end of the day it's a good life. We have a beautiful house, healthy children, nice cars and good, well paying jobs. There is every reason to be happy.

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She wants out of the marriage, and she seems not to have the keys for this, her prison knell.

She is likely suffering from deep-seated depression.

She may have cheated with others, maybe men, on those past and longer trips.

She has tasted what she feels is missing in her marriage.
She likes the taste of others flesh, but not enough to go fully on any cheating diet.

Likely, those whom she 'may' have {prior cheated with} did not meet her expectations.
But, neither do you.

She is biding her time and 'looking', actively or passively for a way out.
She unfairly blames you for her mental/chemical imbalance.

She remains in limbo, her back remains arched severely, while trying to get under the limbo escape bar.

Her biggest problem is that she is not honest with you, or with herself.
Help is available to most who seek of it, and those who know its blue hue and that cheating's venal view.

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Well you did a good job at pointing out all of my worst fears.

She did swear to me she hasn't cheated. I mean she would have to be an excellent liar and great at covering her tracks. Typically she doesn't lie to me as much as avoid questions.

I wish she did cheat on me with another man sometimes and that I'd find out. It would be easy then for me to just leave her, I couldn't accept that.

I just really don't think she did. She would facetime me from bed almost every night on her trips. Flying doesn't agree with her and she becomes ill, very sinusy and drippy. She was also on her time of the month for the longer trip. The others have been short, just a day or two. I've flat out asked her. Her response is that sex and men aren't a concern for her right now. She's not interested in love, or so it would seem. She seems to be only interested in work and the kids. Its all she really talks about or thinks about. I asked our therapist and she doesn't think she is cheating or has recently cheated either.

I do agree that she has depression, or anxiety or something. There is mental illness that runs in her family.
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Something my therapist said to me (or maybe it was someone here) - it's better to be *from* a broken home than to be *in* a broken home.

Your wife sounds like she's checked out. It's really similar to my own situation (minus the many instances of psychosis!).

At some point, like me, you need to think about yourself. Think about how this affects you and your sanity long term, and how it affects your children to be in a home where your wife disrespects you.
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Whatever it took to make her happy, or what I thought would make her happy I did.

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We started seeing a therapist, though the therapist focused more on my wife and didn't require me to go very often. ...

We are seeing a new therapist, but our joint sessions seems to strain things more so we have been doing solo sessions.
You are not having effective couple counseling. Are these people trained specialist couple counselors? I am wondering if they are therapists who are more trained and experienced in working with one person at a time. That can often make things worse.

Obviously there are many other points that could be commented on.
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She has been cheating the entire time you have been aware of contact. It never stopped.

Nothing (NOTHING!) will change until you accept this fact.

Otherwise, the foundation of the your plan will be built on sand.

Can you accept it? If not, there is very little that anyone here can say to you that will help your situation.

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Thank you for your insight father_of_2. We don't really get into too many bust ups in front of the kids, but I do think I am setting a bad example for my sons, as my dad did when dealing with my mom's alcoholism growing up.

I do think that my wife suffers from something that has gone undiagnosed. Its hard to tell somebody you think they are crazy and need help. I'm hoping the current therapist we use uncovers something and refers her to a psychiatrist.

I am on the brink though. I've told her twice now that we may need to just sell the house and divorce. She always has a way of delaying. We'll talk about it more after the kids birthday or after the holiday or after this crazy work week. She just keeps kicking the can down the block. Then in the interim things start to get better for a while, seems like we're making progress, then she'll start to grow dark again and regress.

And when I think of our relationship as a whole of 14 years. We have had maybe 3 or 4 periods of a few months each when it has been real bad. So for the most part the relationship has been good. Maybe i need an epiphany or maybe she does. I'm not sure. I'm hoping for the best but am prepared for the worst. I know I'll land on my feet. I'm fairly certain I'd be able to find somebody new who respects me one day.

I'm not so sure about her though. She is beautiful and plenty of guys will want to have sex with her. But as far as a relationship is concerned, I'm not sure many will deal with her baggage and the fact that she has three children, long term. I know she is in for a lot of hurt if I leave. I love her I don't want her to be hurt. I don't want to subject my kids to a parade of men (maybe woman?). I made a promise, for better or for worse. I have a hard time breaking my promises.
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The two of you seem to be at a deadlock, since even though she is going to MC with you she is not making any effort.

It is interesting that she reaches out to you in her sleep. She knows it is you, and doesn't push you away. I am thinking there is an emotional or mental health component going on with her.

Is she an either/or kind of person? Is she not able to juggle/reconcile having a career and a family? She can only do one really well in her mind? Did she start feeling dissatisfied with you only when she started working outside the home?

While it sounds like she had an affair with her trainer, there are no clear red flags that she is having one now.

It just seems that her job has gone to her head and she doesn't know how to do high flying job and wife too, so she is choosing the job.

I think you sound like a very supportive husband. In your case, with your wife, too supportive. You need to let some things go to your wife. She is going to balk and scream, but you have to get yourself out of the position of being her "fixer" and slave. She doesn't appreciate, much less respect you because of all that you do. Like you said, you already do a lot, she wants more.

She does seem spoiled and entitled, and she wants to be the princess in your family like she was in hers. She is like the wicked princess, not the gracious one. Because of that, she needs to be demoted to servant, just like you are.

There is a saying here on TAM. You have to be willing to lose the marriage in order to save it. If you are afraid of losing it, you will be too afraid to do anything that might make her angry enough to divorce you, OR CHANGE so she can keep you.

Hold On To Your Nuts (Non-negotionable Unalterable Terms) might be a good book for you to read. When you know what your NUTS are you won't argue about the silly things when she tries to.

If you figure out your NUTS and draw your boundary lines your relationship might change.

ETA: Another book you may consider is The Way of the Superior Man.

If you sure that are the best man you can be, should you decide she is not changing and your best option is to divorce her, you will not have doubts or guilt that you could have done more.


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@Laurentium - Yes both are very experienced and have many board certifications. The plan with the new therapist is to continue joint sessions after a few solo sessions.

@farsidejunky - I'm not quite sure what you mean that she has been cheating the entire time that I have been aware of contact. The only instance of cheating I noticed was with that woman trainer. I caught onto that pretty fast, within days of the occurrence. We spend lots of time together. She doesn't exhibit many signs of cheating. Not on her phone texting a lot, not on social media. As I mentioned when she travels for work she's usually a mess and stays in regular contact. Part of me wants her to be cheating. It'd be easy. I've asked bluntly. When she asked me to move out I said tell me your cheating or have cheated and I'll be gone. She didn't/wouldn't. I mean if that's what she really wants and all she has to do is admit to an affair, why wouldn't she?
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This is the reality for a lot of guys in 21st century US --they find themselves in these marriages.

You did NOTHING wrong: you took care of the kids, drove your wife around town, supported her in her job, gave her (some) affection, and never once abused her in any way. You held down a job and tried to provide for your family, and none of that was enough.

And you know what? Even if you guys were worth 4 million, it still wouldn't be "enough", because she has this hot trainer giving her attention at the gym, a career that is more important than her kids (like is she even putting in any effort as a mother?), etc. She gives you the bogus line about not being "in love" with you, as if you are some 16 year-old kid that is going to fall for that?

In regards to her and the kids, you did nothing wrong, BUT in regards to yourself, you did several things wrong

1. You let your wife embarrass and cuckold you in front of the community. You never should have "supported" her in regards to this at all. If I went out and banged some girl who then made a stink on social media or made allegations against me, my wife would be out the door. You have to ask yourself why you allowed this?

2. You let your wife take control of the relationship, and you didn't assert authority--you became her maid and roommate. I see so many guys do this, and it always leads to disaster. If a woman does not respect you, she will disrespect you.

Quite honestly, you need to fix yourself and move on. Lose the weight, get into shape, improve your career and salary if needed, get some new clothes, and contact a divorce attorney. I would typically advise people with kids to try and work things out, but I see no future here at all. You are married to Miss Wrong.
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How do I command more respect? It's such a tightrope to walk. I need to be sensitive but strong, confident yet modest. I need to command respect without being a jerk or seeming possessive. It's a really hard game to win. Sometimes I want to throw in my chips, heal and start new.

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You really want the answer? DIVORCE HER!

Why don't you know Cheaters lie the best, and are able to convince the weak minded, "my spouse would never do that!" Your not the first to claim this and mostly all are wrong. Especially just as your wife informed you. The famous ILYBNILWY.... speech.

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Then I can't help you.

Pick your analogy...the rabbit hole...the onion...the iceberg...it doesn't matter which one...

This goes far deeper than you are willing to even explore, so I will repeat my initial assertion:

Until you can accept it, there is nothing anyone here can say to you that will help.

Acceptance, brother.

Your wife is shady.

She is a liar.

You only have a small modicum of the truth.

No truth=no legitimate reconciliation.

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OP, you are wasting your time...call an attorney now.


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