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post #91 of 121 (permalink) Old 01-16-2020, 06:08 PM
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I would suspect incels are probably more likely to be Republican voters, but it's not because the Republican platform supports that kind of thing. I am a center right leaning libertarian, and from my perspective the Republican party is a combination of a number of different groups that have decided that dislike Democrats more but aren't necessarily conservative in all areas.. Example: many religious nuts aren't economic conservatives, but the party is more friendly to their social views. In the case of incels its likely more of an enemy of my enemy type thing.

Their hatred of women, while certainly not condoned by the Republican party, is tolerated more. There is a subset of Republican voters that while they don't necessarily hate women also think women belong subservient to men (ie why can't go back to the good 'ole days). There is some overlap of the Venn diagram here. You're not going to find this as much in the Democratic party, though they have their own issues.

And to the extent these incels are angry white men, it seems to me that angry white men do generally vote Republican...albeit for a number of reasons.

This is a case of correlation not implying causation.

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I would suspect incels are probably more likely to be Republican voters, but it's not because the Republican platform supports that kind of thing. I am a center right leaning libertarian, and from my perspective the Republican party is a combination of a number of different groups that have decided that dislike Democrats more but aren't necessarily conservative in all areas.. Example: many religious nuts aren't economic conservatives, but the party is more friendly to their social views. In the case of incels its likely more of an enemy of my enemy type thing.

Their hatred of women, while certainly not condoned by the Republican party, is tolerated more. There is a subset of Republican voters that while they don't necessarily hate women also think women belong subservient to men (ie why can't go back to the good 'ole days). There is some overlap of the Venn diagram here. You're not going to find this as much in the Democratic party, though they have their own issues.

And to the extent these incels are angry white men, it seems to me that angry white men do generally vote Republican...albeit for a number of reasons.

This is a case of correlation not implying causation.
I can definitely understand this. The way you posted is much less insulting. You also did not proclaim your opinion as fact. This makes sense to me and I could see how it could be true.
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I would suspect incels are probably more likely to be Republican voters, but it's not because the Republican platform supports that kind of thing. I am a center right leaning libertarian, and from my perspective the Republican party is a combination of a number of different groups that have decided that dislike Democrats more but aren't necessarily conservative in all areas.. Example: many religious nuts aren't economic conservatives, but the party is more friendly to their social views. In the case of incels its likely more of an enemy of my enemy type thing.

Their hatred of women, while certainly not condoned by the Republican party, is tolerated more. There is a subset of Republican voters that while they don't necessarily hate women also think women belong subservient to men (ie why can't go back to the good 'ole days). There is some overlap of the Venn diagram here. You're not going to find this as much in the Democratic party, though they have their own issues.

And to the extent these incels are angry white men, it seems to me that angry white men do generally vote Republican...albeit for a number of reasons.

This is a case of correlation not implying causation.
I don't think that is true. If I had to pin them to a particular political group, then it would probably be Libertarian. For example, MGTOW, who have no interest in any government action, unlike MRA, are by in large Libertarian. The only difference between MGTOW and Incels is MGTOWs have chosen to check out of the SMP. But, like I said, since they aren't aiming for any political agenda, I think they are just as likely to be apolitical even if they hate Progressives. MGTOWs also hate Progressives but they are content with watching it all blow up eventually while banging their blow up dolls in the meantime.

But, I'm not too familiar with Incels, although I figure they are rather similar to MGTOWs just younger, more naive and more misguided.

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I don't believe in general that they are, any more than most of us are capable of assessing risk.
I think you are wrong. I assess “risk” every day of my life, every time I leave my home. I am sure that you do too … for example, defensive driving practices involve assessing risk … you know, assessing the risk caused by the idiot weaving on the freeway and taking evasive action.

For women, it involves risk you may not even think of. For example: the risk of walking to your car at night in the car park, going on a first date with a man, first appointment with a new male physician, etc. I personally have to do risk assessments daily because I live in an urban area. I have been verbally and physically assaulted, more than once, and I’m just counting the year 2019. My own “risk assessment” indicated to me that 1. I need to start carrying a Taser and, 2. I need to stop being so “nice”, in other words if you approach me screaming in my face I will not hesitate to throat punch you (this has happened).

And no, I will not move or stop walking my dogs or stop walking to my local shops. In addition, these sorts of things have been happening all of my life, even when I lived in suburban or rural areas. I wish someone like you, who think women are incapable of assessing risk, could somehow become a “woman for a day” and walk around in public in order to experience these things.
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I don't believe in general that they are, any more than most of us are capable of assessing risk.
I think you are wrong. I assess “risk” every day of my life, every time I leave my home. I am sure that you do too … for example, defensive driving practices involve assessing risk … you know, assessing the risk caused by the idiot weaving on the freeway and taking evasive action.

For women, it involves risk you may not even think of. For example: the risk of walking to your car at night in the car park, going on a first date with a man, first appointment with a new male physician, etc. I personally have to do risk assessments daily because I live in an urban area. I have been verbally and physically assaulted, more than once, and I’m just counting the year 2019. My own “risk assessment” indicated to me that 1. I need to start carrying a Taser and, 2. I need to stop being so “nice”, in other words if you approach me screaming in my face I will not hesitate to throat punch you (this has happened).

And no, I will not move or stop walking my dogs or stop walking to my local shops. In addition, these sorts of things have been happening all of my life, even when I lived in suburban or rural areas. I wish someone like you, who think women are incapable of assessing risk, could somehow become a “woman for a day” and walk around in public in order to experience these things.
Men access risk in the opposite. If you go on a date, can you be forward/take charge or is that too 'rapey'? Can I talk to a female coworker as I would a Male Coworker or will I get metoo'd? Can I open a door for her or is that demeaning?

But fair nuff, never been assaulted by a man though I do keep my eyes open at night, once I ran into some thugs outside of work at night...
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I think you are wrong. I assess “risk” every day of my life, every time I leave my home. I am sure that you do too … for example, defensive driving practices involve assessing risk … you know, assessing the risk caused by the idiot weaving on the freeway and taking evasive action.
I should have said "weighing" instead of "assessing". I am not referring to the ability to identify risk, I am referring to the inability to properly weigh risk. I am talking about this phenomenon, which we all fall victim to at some level:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/a...the-odds-wrong

The single riskiest thing most of us do every day is get in a car. Yet this happens:

"The problem is, this leads to bad decisions. The magazine notes that after Sept. 11, 1.4 million people changed their travel plans to avoid flying, choosing to drive instead. Driving is far more dangerous. The decision caused roughly 1,000 additional auto fatalities, the magazine reports."

https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/...me-your-brain/

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I think you are wrong. I assess “risk” every day of my life, every time I leave my home. I am sure that you do too … for example, defensive driving practices involve assessing risk … you know, assessing the risk caused by the idiot weaving on the freeway and taking evasive action.

For women, it involves risk you may not even think of. For example: the risk of walking to your car at night in the car park, going on a first date with a man, first appointment with a new male physician, etc. I personally have to do risk assessments daily because I live in an urban area. I have been verbally and physically assaulted, more than once, and I’m just counting the year 2019. My own “risk assessment” indicated to me that 1. I need to start carrying a Taser and, 2. I need to stop being so “nice”, in other words if you approach me screaming in my face I will not hesitate to throat punch you (this has happened).

And no, I will not move or stop walking my dogs or stop walking to my local shops. In addition, these sorts of things have been happening all of my life, even when I lived in suburban or rural areas. I wish someone like you, who think women are incapable of assessing risk, could somehow become a “woman for a day” and walk around in public in order to experience these things.
Bingo. Great response.

Fascinating what happens when you involve the human beings most impacted by what’s happening in the conversation, rather than making decisions for them like they’re not even there.
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I would suspect incels are probably more likely to be Republican voters, but it's not because the Republican platform supports that kind of thing. I am a center right leaning libertarian, and from my perspective the Republican party is a combination of a number of different groups that have decided that dislike Democrats more but aren't necessarily conservative in all areas.. Example: many religious nuts aren't economic conservatives, but the party is more friendly to their social views. In the case of incels its likely more of an enemy of my enemy type thing.

Their hatred of women, while certainly not condoned by the Republican party, is tolerated more. There is a subset of Republican voters that while they don't necessarily hate women also think women belong subservient to men (ie why can't go back to the good 'ole days). There is some overlap of the Venn diagram here. You're not going to find this as much in the Democratic party, though they have their own issues.

And to the extent these incels are angry white men, it seems to me that angry white men do generally vote Republican...albeit for a number of reasons.

This is a case of correlation not implying causation.
As an independent conservative that votes mostly republican because the party generally is slightly less heinous than the other, I find this somewhat disturbing. I've seen plenty of disgusting misogynist politicians in the democratic party regardless of what they might claim. Not that any politician, chosen at random, is going to stack up very high in the morals department at a glance.
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As an independent conservative that votes mostly republican because the party generally is slightly less heinous than the other, I find this somewhat disturbing. I've seen plenty of disgusting misogynist politicians in the democratic party regardless of what they might claim. Not that any politician, chosen at random, is going to stack up very high in the morals department at a glance.
Oh, don't get me wrong. There is certainly misogyny in the Democratic party.....it just manifests differently. Misogyny is a cultural issue, not a political one.

Democrats do plenty of looking the other way while women are harassed and mistreated. And plenty of Republican voters are not misogynists.

I'm addressing the particularly angry guys....those guys vote Republican.
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I can definitely understand this. The way you posted is much less insulting. You also did not proclaim your opinion as fact. This makes sense to me and I could see how it could be true.
So sorry that my opinions came out as facts. I guess will just put IMO in front of everything I say. This whole thread is full of opinions stated as facts.

I am not sure how me saying that groups made of mostly angry white males tend to be conservative/libertarian is offensive, but when life says it, it is no longer offensive. Whatever.

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So sorry that my opinions came out as facts. I guess will just put IMO in front of everything I say. This whole thread is full of opinions stated as facts.

I am not sure how me saying that groups made of mostly angry white males tend to be conservative/libertarian is offensive, but when life says it, it is no longer offensive. Whatever.
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I don't think that is true. If I had to pin them to a particular political group, then it would probably be Libertarian. For example, MGTOW, who have no interest in any government action, unlike MRA, are by in large Libertarian. The only difference between MGTOW and Incels is MGTOWs have chosen to check out of the SMP. But, like I said, since they aren't aiming for any political agenda, I think they are just as likely to be apolitical even if they hate Progressives. MGTOWs also hate Progressives but they are content with watching it all blow up eventually while banging their blow up dolls in the meantime.

But, I'm not too familiar with Incels, although I figure they are rather similar to MGTOWs just younger, more naive and more misguided.
i have been a paid member of a MGTOW forum for several years now. i can tell you that they absolutely hate incels. they dont tolerate them at all.

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i have been a paid member of a MGTOW forum for several years now. i can tell you that they absolutely hate incels. they dont tolerate them at all.
Doesn't surprise me at all. MGTOW have used their power to make their own decisions....nothing wrong with that.

Incels are pathetic losers who abdicate their power and blame everything on evil wimmenz.....very weak.

I can see how men who use their power to control their own lives dislike weak victim men.
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i have been a paid member of a MGTOW forum for several years now. i can tell you that they absolutely hate incels. they dont tolerate them at all.
Doesn't surprise me at all. MGTOW have used their power to make their own decisions....nothing wrong with that.

Incels are pathetic losers who abdicate their power and blame everything on evil wimmenz.....very weak.

I can see how men who use their power to control their own lives dislike weak victim men.
Awesome definition of incels!
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Officials in Texas are warning of an upcoming “Incel Rebellion” in a new report titiled “Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment.”

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progre...rorism-threat/

What do you think?
While the people who go on about being an Incel are probably more harmess, large numbers of sexually fustrated men are dangerous for society and it will have consequences. The swollen gonal theory of imperial expansion is that going abroad and building an Empire was one way the excess was dealt with.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/20...l-frustration/
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