Originally Posted by UpsideDownWorld11 View Post
Only I think MGTOWs do blame women and society for empowering them. But agree with everything else you said.
Some MGTOW guys, along with their red pill cousins, somehow think that women are this ultra-secret powerful divine sisterhood that keeps all men under control with social norms that benefit only women, laws that benefit only women, and that women are somehow indoctrinated and taught to leverage their sexuality and sexual gatekeeping as a cabal.
I've known red pill guys that literally believe that women are a secret society that have ensured that men live a lie all of their life so women get whatever they want for free forever, for example. Basically, men are the underclass victim servant class subordinate to women, and always have been. We only exist to buy them things (if we're 'nice guys), or bone (if we're musclebound bad boys). Otherwise, we don't serve a purpose at all except as playthings.
The lie - and where "red pill" comes from - is that men are in charge and that male privilege is a thing. They assert the opposite is actually true, and reality is the inverse of that: women are actually in control of everything, especially relationships, money, and sex, and that they have concocted this while feminism thing as a cover for this secret reality. If you 'swallow the red pill', as I did, you will wake up in a way that's akin to Morpheous (Athol Kay) giving you the ability to 'wake up' from the illusion and see the reality for what it is - like Neo did in the Matrix, and became the saviour of mankind.
That's literally where much of this comes from. One guy, named Athol Kay, that discovered that his wife actually liked to have sex with him more when he acted more macho. Using that divine revelation, he decided that women are lying to men (and sometimes themselves) when they say they want to be with a man that treats him well, and really only want to be with a man that treats her like dirt and takes her to 'pound town.' His literal term for sex that women actually like, which is quite different than what they often say they want. He actually also asserted to me once that women need to have semen inside of them, because it gives them a testosterone boost that they sorely need to be healthy and have a good libido. So you need to **** a woman relentlessly so that she'll have a sex drive. But then you need to be careful, because she might go after a more dominant male than you. I did the math on this once, and told him he was full of **** because the amount was so minute, but he was a nurse and that made me wrong.
At any rate, women only keep the 'nice guy' around to pay for everything, do everything, and provide her with a pedestal to sit on while they pine for, or cheat with the neanderthal that takes her to said 'pound town.'
This morphed into the PUA (Pick Up Artist) movement that ran with these ideas to come up with 'negging' (to insult a woman to assert your dominance and get her panties to somehow drop) and other bizarre concoctions mixed in with 'be confident even when you don't feel like it' which actually can be very successful.
It also morphed into the MGTOW movement, which took all of that, and said 'FU Chads and Staceys, I'm outta here.' These guys essentially don't want to take a risk, are deeply concerned about money grubbing women taking their stuff, and claim to have just checked out of the whole game. Which would be fine if they would just be quiet about it.
Sorry for the rant. This whole thing deeply pisses me off, mostly because I was a red pill guy and that disgusts me, and I used to know the aforementioned Kay/Morpheous fairly well.