Sadly the opposite is true. There have been quite a few terrorist attacks by incels in the last several years. The perpetrators tend to publicize their actions on social media which just spurs more of these men to let out their frustrations that way.
This is a trend all around the world. Japan's "grass eating men" have been a problem for a long time. I'm not sure what the problem is. Maybe it's too many choices or too much porn. Whatever the cause, there is a lot less sex going on. I'm more concerned about the birth rate than incel terrorism.
Shortly after the May 2014 Isla Vista shooting, in which a gunman opened fire outside a University of California, Santa Barbara, sorority house, a chilling video circulated on social media. The attacker, 22-year-old former student Elliot Rodger, bluntly declared his motivation: “If I can’t have you girls,” he said, “I will destroy you.”
The incel ideology is real—and lethal. In the deadliest incel-linked attack to date, in April 2018, 10 pedestrians were killed in a vehicle-ramming attack on Toronto’s busy Yonge Street. Other deadly attacks that have cited incel ideology or inspiration have occurred at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, in October 2015; Aztec High School in Aztec, New Mexico, in December 2017; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, in February 2018; and the Tallahassee Hot Yoga studio in Tallahassee, Florida, in November 2019. The death toll in the United States and Canada now stands at nearly 50 people.
Shortly after the May 2014 Isla Vista shooting, in which a gunman opened fire outside a University of California, Santa Barbara, sorority house, a chilling video circulated on social media. The attacker, 22-year-old former student Elliot Rodger, bluntly declared his motivation: “If I can’t have you girls,” he said, “I will destroy you.”
The incel ideology is real—and lethal. In the deadliest incel-linked attack to date, in April 2018, 10 pedestrians were killed in a vehicle-ramming attack on Toronto’s busy Yonge Street. Other deadly attacks that have cited incel ideology or inspiration have occurred at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, in October 2015; Aztec High School in Aztec, New Mexico, in December 2017; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, in February 2018; and the Tallahassee Hot Yoga studio in Tallahassee, Florida, in November 2019. The death toll in the United States and Canada now stands at nearly 50 people.
I wouldn't doubt it for a single second. I saw the title of this thread and went, 'Oh boy-' But on a serious note, it's the quite ones you've got to watch out for and this can't be taken lightly.
The idiot writing the article tried to link right wing people and other men's groups in support of incels as well as Jordan Peterson who talks with them and tries to reason with them but hardly supports their position.
Aside from the pathetic bias of the writer, I absolutely agree that this group is a growing concern and I see incel groups organizing kidnapping, rapes and other atrocities unless they are dealt with.
I believe they are already responsible for many missing women and girls personally.
The problem is that people who don't learn productive ways of navigating through life then have a meltdown and go scorched earth. It would be interesting to read the psychological profile of incels.
Extremists of all sorts are a potential danger, but I think we should be very slow to label groups as "terrorists' unless that represents a substantial fraction of the group and its philosophy.
I'm not terribly surprised by this news/pronouncement. I am curious to see if anything comes of it.
However, I don't think the incel threat is a terribly new thing... after all, the VA Tech shooter (2007) could be considered an incel, though not part of any movement. If he had been ten years younger, he would have absolutely been labeled an incel.
Doubtful. Many have access to prostitutes but are still unhappy because by and large it's not necessarily sex that these men crave. It's desire. They want to be desired by a woman.
I live in a city that was terrorized by an incel. I just cannot fathom the quantum leap to violence due to lack of desirability. I DJ'd singles dances when I was younger. A goodly percentage of the room was guys who just could not connect with a woman. Yes they'd get aggressive. Yes there were a few that got frustrated and caused a scene or two, but WOW, taking your sexual frustration out in violence? As I have said, sometimes ya just gotta shake your head.
What are you insinuating? I think we can all agree killing because you can't get any or because you feel you are undesirable is wrong. Not many would argue with that apart from maybe sociopaths. I think we are really talking about mentally ill people not really incels (which sound like a boogeyman group that the media made up). Sure maybe they latch onto the 'incel' ideology, if you call it that, just like other mentally ill people latch onto political organizations or religious cults that are by themselves harmless.
As with a lot of movements, there is a rational basis, but then people take it to crazy and dangerous extremes.
There is a legitimate problem that lack of sex leads to unhappiness, and that there is both social pressure and often legal restrictions that make it difficult for some people (mostly men, but also some women) to find partners.
I think the problem comes in when people translate the existence of this problem into somehow *blaming* women.
The problem isn't solved by men becoming more desirable - because there will always be the 10% least desirable men. (just like we can't all be wealthy)
The problem is muli-faceted, including both men who are for various reasons completely undesirable, to those that are desirable but have become trapped in sexless marriages that they don't think they can escape.
I don't know if there are reasonable solutions. Maybe its possible to create a well regulated and safe prostitution system? Maybe more sophisticated dating services could help match people? Sex bots will probably fix this in the end, if they are not insanely expensive.
Maybe there is room for better crafted laws regarding the role of sex in marriage?
A lot of these guys could get dates and sex. For whatever reason, they don't want to exert the effort it takes to obtain a mate. I'm also curious about how many women they blew off because they did not consider them viable as mates?
A lot of these guys are not bad in the looks department and I know they must have had opportunities that they overlooked or turned down.
I think manhood 101 classes could benefit them overall but there are some who are just mental.
Seriously.... I know guys who look like their face was microwaved hamburger and they married cute ladies and had hamburger faced babies. They are still going strong and have the usual ups and downs of married life but if a hamburger face can get women, and keep them, so can anyone else.
These incels are voluntarily celibate in my view because they won't take the necessary course to obtain a mate.
Almost all terrorists are in some way a disenfranchised male. The particular label or cultural slot that they don't fit into varies depending on the person or culture but the majority of terrorists have a lot in common.
I'm nearly certain that the incarceration, suicide, and homelessness statistics being heavily leaning towards the male gender is related. Males are in some measure disposable or don't matter.
I'm also certain no one here is going to have the answers to why or how to fix the problem.
One good place to start is for people to stop raising entitled brats. I have two sons, 19 and 16, whose father wasn't much interested in parenting. They see him whenever they want and we get along fine, but I was by far the dominant influence in their lives.
I've used my power with them to drill into them that they aren't entitled to anything and if they want a good partner they should he a good partner. I've also drilled into them that there are a lot of women out there and if one doesn't want them they'll be much happier looking for one who does.
Guess what? They're both working on bettering themselves so they can have a lot to offer.
Fathers who are heavily involved can influence this even more...I just had to work with what I had.
This of course won't solve everything, but there are a lot of entitled brats thanks to poor parenting.
"I think this is the root of a lot of it. I've seen some of these incels online and they're not all horrible looking guys, but they think they're entitled to the top 5% of women looks wise without regard for the fact that these women have a lot of options."
Where I used to work, we had a 50+ virgin in our office, still living with his parents, quite overweight. He would complain that women only went after "bad boys" and rejected him because he was a nice guy. He would frequently make derogatory remarks about overweight women, even though he himself was overweight. In his younger days, before he gained so much wieght, he probably could have had a shot with an average looking nice girl, but he seemed to think that only women who looked like super models were worthy of love.
They are mentally ill and if they are treated for their mental ill health early enough, guess what? No terrorism?
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